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What would you do if you were the GM of the Reds?

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Jaxbuck;845573; said:
CB40- I agree with what you had to say about most of those names(minors) but your not allowing for any of them to be a bust. Either due to injury or inability to make the jump, some of them just aren't going to make it.

You have to have the organizational depth to overcome that and right now the ONLY glimmer of hope(which you stated perfectly) involves an absolute ass load of luck, ie all of them making it and making an impact.

There is a big difference between a plan and a wish and from what I can see WK's plan is too heavy on the latter. "Dumpster dive till the kids arrive" is bad enough. "Dumpster dive untill the kids arrive and every swinging dick one of them makes it as an above average MLB player at worst" is like funding the kids college with projected lottery winnings.
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I understand what you are saying and I don't expect all of them to make the jump, but I think there are enough guys in the minors throwing well to give us a solid staff...I mean Bailey Bailey is the surest thing, and with him in the rotation with Harang, Arroyo, and Belisle you still just need a fifth starter and you have those other 8 guys fighting for one spot...It isnt like we need 5...

The problem is the position players and we have no depth in the infield...The only guys are Votto, Valaikia Janish, and Turner...I think the outfield will be fine with the guys we already have and Bruce is showing nothing besides an injury that would make him a bust and Stubbs has all the physical tools...

I still think that you are going to see WK dumpster dive some, in positions of need like Catcher, maybe some infielders, but I don't think it is going to be at the money positions...Pitchers and corner guys, CF, and 2B...
 
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first off, I'd fire Narron and move Billy Hatcher up to the manager spot.

Then I'd attempt to trade Griffey and acquire a #1 pitcher. The pitcher would have to be someone with either a sinker or split fingered pitch to keep the ball down in The Great American Bandbox.

Then I'd open up to offers for Adam Dunn.

Dunn is a good guy, but he does NOT hit in the clutch and can't be counted on for anything but solo homers.

Then I'd try to rid myself of both Eric Milton and Kyle Lohse. They are both drags on the budget and are no more than a D+ pitcher combined, let alone singly.

I'd move Homer Bailey up, it's time, and attempt to trade Edwin Encarnacion. Edwin can't field his position at third base.

I'm not a Reds fan. But I will say that the Reds have WAY too many projects at the Major League levels to be ultimately successful.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;845670; said:
first off, I'd fire Narron and move Billy Hatcher up to the manager spot.
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Give me someone with experience...

Then I'd attempt to trade Griffey and acquire a #1 pitcher. The pitcher would have to be someone with either a sinker or split fingered pitch to keep the ball down in The Great American Bandbox.
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Don't think any team is going to trade a number one for Griffey and Griffey has trade clauses in his contract...

Then I'd open up to offers for Adam Dunn.

Dunn is a good guy, but he does NOT hit in the clutch and can't be counted on for anything but solo homers.
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I would hope they are already open to that...

I agree he struggles in the clutch, but he is the best run producer on the team...

Then I'd try to rid myself of both Eric Milton and Kyle Lohse. They are both drags on the budget and are no more than a D+ pitcher combined, let alone singly.
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I think that Lohse has pitched fairly well...Milton isn't going to get us anything...I would think that we could get something for Lohse and that would allow us to bring up Bailey later in the season...Also Lohse will bring the most value right at the trade deadline IMO when people will reach for guys to contend...

I'd move Homer Bailey up, it's time, and attempt to trade Edwin Encarnacion. Edwin can't field his position at third base.
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Not time for Homer just yet, still need some work in AAA, also the arrbitration clock doesnt need to start just yet...Wait till later in the season...Also I disagree about EE...

I'm not a Reds fan. But I will say that the Reds have WAY too many projects at the Major League levels to be ultimately successful.
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Who are the projects...They have a bunch of castaways that they are trying to hold the team together until they get some of these prospects here and some guys back from injury...
 
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crazybuckfan40;845687; said:
Give me someone with experience...
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So you want another re-tread? well they aren't my team, but it's time for some new blood.....


Don't think any team is going to trade a number one for Griffey and Griffey has trade clauses in his contract...
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When the time comes, I'm sure there can be a deal made. Being the #1 isn't so much of the requirement, it's getting the right type of pitcher for that ballpark.

I would hope they are already open to that...

I agree he struggles in the clutch, but he is the best run producer on the team...
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And he's leading the NL in strikeouts too.....


I think that Lohse has pitched fairly well...Milton isn't going to get us anything...I would think that we could get something for Lohse and that would allow us to bring up Bailey later in the season...Also Lohse will bring the most value right at the trade deadline IMO when people will reach for guys to contend...
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Lohse hasn't had a good year since 2003 and even that year was pretty shaky at times. He isn't the future of the Reds pitching staff at 28.



Not time for Homer just yet, still need some work in AAA, also the arrbitration clock doesnt need to start just yet...Wait till later in the season...Also I disagree about EE...
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Edwin's head is in an entirely different galaxy right now. Maybe he can come back, but I wouldn't hold my breath, or a roster spot after this fall, for him.

As for Bailey, what better time than now? If he's really that good, he might be the one guy that could turn this team around. If your only true argument about keeping a guy in AAA is the arbitration clock at this point, your philosophy is screwed from the beginning.


Who are the projects...They have a bunch of castaways that they are trying to hold the team together until they get some of these prospects here and some guys back from injury...
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EE (mental and fielding), Dunn (his hitting is a constant project), Hamilton (great story but can he hold up over an entire year), Milton (shoulder), Lohse (consistency) for starters......

The Reds have some good pieces, but outside of Phillips, Arroyo and Harang, it gets really bleak really quick.

The NL Central isn't that good and it sure as hell isn't good enough for anyone, much less the Reds, to be this far out in the middle of May.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;845712; said:
So you want another re-tread? well they aren't my team, but it's time for some new blood.....
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No I just wan't someone with proven experience...Narron, Miley, Perez, etc. havent worked...

When the time comes, I'm sure there can be a deal made. Being the #1 isn't so much of the requirement, it's getting the right type of pitcher for that ballpark.
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Yeah I would agree that we need the right type, but I think the best thing we are going to get is prospects, or a guy like Bronson Arroyo, no team is going to give up pitching when trying to contend...

And he's leading the NL in strikeouts too.....
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You better just hope Jax doesnt see this...

Lohse hasn't had a good year since 2003 and even that year was pretty shaky at times. He isn't the future of the Reds pitching staff at 28.
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I never said he was the future, but I just disagreed that him and Milton equaled a D+ pitcher...Lohse while not good in his last couple outings did start the season well...

Edwin's head is in an entirely different galaxy right now. Maybe he can come back, but I wouldn't hold my breath, or a roster spot after this fall, for him.
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The kid is 24, he has a ton of potential, Narron yanks him around like a rag doll, we trade him and there is no doubt in my mind that he blows up on another team, and guys like Castro, Freel are not the answer and we don't have anyone in the minors to man 3B at the major league level...

As for Bailey, what better time than now? If he's really that good, he might be the one guy that could turn this team around. If your only true argument about keeping a guy in AAA is the arbitration clock at this point, your philosophy is screwed from the beginning.
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There is no reason to rush him...He has struggled some with control, being up around 3 to 4 walks about every game, going either 5 or 6 innings...And the k's have been down...He is limiting opponents to very low number of hit, and he is obviously working on his offspeed stuff, but there is no reason to rush him and ruin his confidence...This team is going nowhere this season and in a small market there is no reason to rush a guy like this that is goign to demand a ton of money when his first contract is up and you might as well not waste a year of him being cheap for what an extra 4 or 5 starts...



EE (mental and fielding), Dunn (his hitting is a constant project), Hamilton (great story but can he hold up over an entire year), Milton (shoulder), Lohse (consistency) for starters......

The Reds have some good pieces, but outside of Phillips, Arroyo and Harang, it gets really bleak really quick.

The NL Central isn't that good and it sure as hell isn't good enough for anyone, much less the Reds, to be this far out in the middle of May.[/quote]
 
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I'd say I'm somewhere between Jax and CB40. I've been saying for awhile now that Dunn and Lohse have to go before the trade deadline. Neither will be worth what an extension would cost. I entertain offers for Harang and Arroyo, but it would take one heck of a deal for me to bite as they are signed for below market value. I'd prefer that Harang go before Bronson, because Bronson is one of the few very marketable guys this team has. He's on all kinds of local commercials and billboards. The chicks dig him, so he's a draw. However, I agree that it may take trading one or both to fill the voids in the system. Look at what Cleveland did to get guys like Pronk and Sizemore.

I get Edwin back up soon to determine if this little trip to the minors gave him the proper "attitude adjustment." I can't fathom the move was just about him slumping at the plate. They need to figure out if he is one of the building blocks or trade foder. It didn't surprise me he started off the season a little cold at the plate as he was raking in spring training. Law of averages says a cool streak will follow a hot one. Alot of guys have a sophomore slump before they make adjustments. The organization needs to commit to him or trade him while he has value.

Narron is in full blown panic mode as a manager and his team is not responding. It was nice to see him get tossed from a game finally. The problem is that this team is not responding to him. I didn't like the hire to start and I like it even less now. I have never heard these players defend him. I can't find one good reason that he should be there another day other than I don't know who you get as a replacement.

I think they really have to step back and build a lineup. I think you have to find a bona fide lead off hitter, a solid #2 guy, figure out who your middle guys will be, and limit the roster to 1 or 2 guys at the bottom who are there for D. You trade anyone you can for a stock pile of pitchers, middle infielders, and catchers. I agree with Jax that you have to have massive depth in the minors because at least half of those guys are going to bust. I mean, remember when Steve Avery was going to be better than Glavine and Smoltz? You just can't count on anything.

Anyways, Majewski and Bray are going to be ready soon so 1st order of business is DFA for Santos and I'd try to trade Stanton for a bucket of chewed bubble gum (not likely) so I guess someone will go down. That someone will probably be Salmon again although he does not deserve it. Anybody think McBeth actually gets to make his debut before being sent back down? I don't care what they do, but Milton should never throw another pitch for this team. They have fill and he is just taking a spot from a younger player who deserves a chance.

So, my day one duties as GM: DFA Santos and Milton, fire Narron, put Lohse, Dunn, and everyone else on the trading block.
 
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Next year the Reds need to draft high the most major league ready relievers available from the college ranks, AND sign a couple quality relievers. Starting pitching is not really the problem for the Reds-people can rip on Milton all they want, but for a #5 guy-and what can reasonably be expected-he had overachieved this year-I wouldn't count on him, but if he holds teams to 4 runs in 6 innings-he's doing all he can.
Castellini also needs to shell out for a catcher-Ross has been a major drag on the lineup offensively this year....
 
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stxbuck;846063; said:
Next year the Reds need to draft high the most major league ready relievers available from the college ranks, AND sign a couple quality relievers. Starting pitching is not really the problem for the Reds-people can rip on Milton all they want, but for a #5 guy-and what can reasonably be expected-he had overachieved this year-I wouldn't count on him, but if he holds teams to 4 runs in 6 innings-he's doing all he can.
Castellini also needs to shell out for a catcher-Ross has been a major drag on the lineup offensively this year....
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I'm not a fan of using draft picks on college relief pitchers. Seems that most of the best relief pitchers are converted starters. The market for bullpen help was awful this off season. Baltimore spent a buttload of money and their pen still stinks. It would have been nice if Schoenweiss could have been re-signed, but the Mets had their checkbook out and there was no chance he was staying. Personally, I think Burton has potential closer written all over him and I'd like to see McBeth. Salmon is another guy who could possibly fill that role. Majewski was viewed as an option when "The Trade" happened, other than his one rough outing he has been stellar with the Bats. I also think Livingston could be a decent pen option with his control. I don't think he quite has the stuff, nor do the Reds really need him to work out as a starter.

Future Bullpen:
RH: McBeth, Burton, Salmon, Majewski/Coffey, (Weathers)
LH: Bray, Countlangus, Livingston, (Guardado)

I think they have enough guys to keep filling and the problem is that they need to dump Stanton and Santos and either leave Saarloos as the 5th starter or dump him too. By dump, I mean trade if all possible and DFA if absolutely necessary.

Edit: If they don't trade Weathers, I'd like to see him stick with this team as a coach if possible. He seems to have the best attitude of anybody on this team. I'm afraid the poor guy's arm is going to fally off with Narron's current use of him.
 
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stxbuck;846063; said:
Next year the Reds need to draft high the most major league ready relievers available from the college ranks, AND sign a couple quality relievers. Starting pitching is not really the problem for the Reds-people can rip on Milton all they want, but for a #5 guy-and what can reasonably be expected-he had overachieved this year-I wouldn't count on him, but if he holds teams to 4 runs in 6 innings-he's doing all he can.
Castellini also needs to shell out for a catcher-Ross has been a major drag on the lineup offensively this year....
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The guys who really follow the draft at RZ brought up another interesting point about WK. I don't recall if I mentioned it here or not but its likely a lot of that money he pissed away on the Cormiers and Stantons could very well cost us in the draft. Net net is that we might have to take lesser players with a lot of our first round picks due to signability issues.

If that does indeed play out.....:pissed:
 
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Jaxbuck;846356; said:
The guys who really follow the draft at RZ brought up another interesting point about WK. I don't recall if I mentioned it here or not but its likely a lot of that money he pissed away on the Cormiers and Stantons could very well cost us in the draft. Net net is that we might have to take lesser players with a lot of our first round picks due to signability issues.

If that does indeed play out.....:pissed:
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Well if Bob C is willing to spend money to put a contendor on the field then this shouldn't be a problem...It isnt like we are talking a huge amount of money besides the very top guys, and really if the guys like a plyer then they should pony up the money...
 
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