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ktffan said:
I don't argue if it's a good system or not, all I'm telling you is that's what is offcial. All these ad hoc sites are using the same sources, only when you enter all that information by hand, you tend to make mistakes and it comes out less accurately. Good or not, I don't care, right or not, I don't care. That's what's official and that's what the NCAA and new organizations use. I don't see the point in pretending something else is "actually" the truth.
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But, the super human attention to detail NCAA.. no mistakes there. Well played. :shake:
 
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ktffan said:
I don't argue if it's a good system or not, all I'm telling you is that's what is offcial. All these ad hoc sites are using the same sources, only when you enter all that information by hand, you tend to make mistakes and it comes out less accurately.
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Again, not correct. Please check your information.

Oh, and please don't play the game of misrepresenting "truth" and "official", you've contradicted yourself in the same post. Either you are interested in the truth or in what's official ... choose.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
So, you conclude that Stassen is making mistakes, but not the NCAA data people? Are you serious here? We've already determined that the NCAA has not been historically interested in official stats (Google to determine when they started keeping "official" stats has not revealed an answer for me yet) If the President recognizes 1 + 1 as being equal to 12 do we just assume it's Official and thus authoritive and correct?
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The NCAA makes mistakes. In comparing the two sources, I've found the NCAA to make far less mistakes. However, there are none in the 5 teams listed. Stassen has no "mistakes" on those either, he just has a different opinion than the NCAA.


I don't take the Stassen site as Gospel, I take it as valid and reliable, and I find it easy to use. You, my friend, seem to take the NCAA site as Gospel, with no real reason of why... your argument - "The President says so"
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The NCAA is the official word. That's what everyone who counts will use. It's pointless to pretend I know better than the NCAA.

You say it's "Stassen's Opinion" What the fuck? Do we agree that the NCAA did not exist in 1903?
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Stassen and the NCAA agree prior to 1903. At issue here are "forfeits" which the NCAA does not see fit to count, where Stassen does. It's a matter of opinion.

Do you see how the NCAA isn't recognizing anything? What they're doing is listing a list of who's been recognized BY OTHER SOURCES
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In their 1992, book the NCAA compile a list of national champions by coaches. Using that list, they gave their criteria for what counted and what didn't. That seems a recognition to me. Also, their list of "consensus champions", is their list of "recognized" titles.

Umm... no... Find me a list of NCAA champions. Any list that says "The NCAA determined that Michigan was the 1901 Champion"
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In their 1992 book, the NCAA credited Fielding Yost as a champion for 1901. That's what I'm talking about.
 
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ktffan said:
I know what the word consensus means. Let's review what was said.

1. I said the NCAA called Ohio State a consensus champion. That is a fact.

2. You said I didn't know what I was talking about because, you assured me, that the NCAA would do no such thing.

3. I showed exactly where the NCAA called Ohio State a consensus champion.

4. You get rude because you were shown to be wrong.

What I said and what you claimed was wrong what that the NCAA calls Ohio State a consensus champion and that is a fact.
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My point is that you're wrong in saying that we're consensus champions in '61 and '70 because we aren't, regardless of what the NCAA has in their book. I only get "rude" when morons can't grasp a simple concept or are too stubborn to admit defeat. I'm not the wrong who's wrong here...we are NOT the "consensus" national champions of '61 or '70, period.
 
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3yardsandacloud said:
Several basic points. The NCAA and Stassen do NOT use the same sources for compiling information. Even the most basic and rudimentary search would reveal that to you. Please answer my other questions before ATTEMPTING to be a pompous ass.
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What other questions.

Yes, Stassen checks team records for his information, as does the NCAA. In the end, there are only three place to get team information.

1. From the team.
2. From the NCAA.
3. From the newpaper.

#2 gets their information from #1 and unless you dig up all the information in the newspaper, you're getting your information from the team.
 
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ktffan said:
What other questions.

Yes, Stassen checks team records for his information, as does the NCAA. In the end, there are only three place to get team information.

1. From the team.
2. From the NCAA.
3. From the newpaper.

#2 gets their information from #1 and unless you dig up all the information in the newspaper, you're getting your information from the team.
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Why are we covering this ground again?

No Stassen does NOT get his information from ANY of the sources you just listed. Until you can answer that question (where does it come from) you have NO business even commenting on the validity of his data. I suspect (from the 3 points you listed) you have no idea how the NCAA compiles it's information either.
 
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ktffan said:
I never said the Ohio State were the consensus champions. I said the NCAA lists them among their consensus champions, which is an easily verifiable fact. You then decided to claim it could not be so and be a jackass abou it.
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OSU is NOT the consensus champ in 61 or 70, despite whatever the almighty NCAA wants to claim. We were not the consensus champs in the AP and UPI.

Considering the NCAA does not pick champions, but the AP and UPI does, what exactly is official about their 'champion' those years? This all comes back to the 'if the president says so, then it must be official' argument stated earlier.
 
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ktffan said:
I never said the Ohio State were the consensus champions. I said the NCAA lists them among their consensus champions, which is an easily verifiable fact. You then decided to claim it could not be so and be a jackass abou it.
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Bullshit. In post #46 of this thread, you said, quote:

"The NCAA calls them a consensus champion. I'd say yes."

With the "I'd say yes" part being about us being consensus national champions of '61 and '70. As for an "easily verifiable fact", it's an easily verifiable fact that the NCAA has its head up its ass...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Bullshit. In post #46 of this thread, you said, quote:

"The NCAA calls them a consensus champion. I'd say yes."

With the "I'd say yes" part being about us being consensus national champions of '61 and '70. As for an "easily verifiable fact", it's an easily verifiable fact that the NCAA has its head up its ass...
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The question I was answering was "would I count Ohio State's titles for 61 and 70." I said yes I would because the NCAA calls them a consensus champions. I'm sorry you can't understand simple phrases.
 
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ktffan said:
The NCAA is the official word. That's what everyone who counts will use. It's pointless to pretend I know better than the NCAA.
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In the same way that ESPN lists the number of Final Fours that each school has been to in college basketball, but they differ from the NCAA because of things like the Fab Five's Final 4 appearance being wiped from the NCAA record books?

But if you're saying that ESPN is not in the group of "everyone who counts", you may get some agreement from Buckeye fans on that. :biggrin:
 
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ktffan said:
The NCAA makes mistakes. In comparing the two sources, I've found the NCAA to make far less mistakes. However, there are none in the 5 teams listed. Stassen has no "mistakes" on those either, he just has a different opinion than the NCAA.
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You've found this? How exactly did you "find this" Particularly where the early days of College Ball are concerned.



The NCAA is the official word. That's what everyone who counts will use. It's pointless to pretend I know better than the NCAA.
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Your argument from authority has been shown to fail, get a new schtick.


Stassen and the NCAA agree prior to 1903. At issue here are "forfeits" which the NCAA does not see fit to count, where Stassen does. It's a matter of opinion.
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stassesn's reasoning said:
Whether or not to adjust for forfeits is a matter of some debate. If forfeits are ignored, non-compliance with the rules is essentially rewarded. If forfeits are counted, the database no longer reflects actual on-the-field results. I believe that the latter is the lesser of two evils, so forfeits are counted in the win percentage calculations. I show both the original and adjusted record in the team's database, however.
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What's teh NCAA's explaination? they want to endorse non-compliance with their own rules?


In their 1992, book the NCAA compile a list of national champions by coaches. Using that list, they gave their criteria for what counted and what didn't. That seems a recognition to me. Also, their list of "consensus champions", is their list of "recognized" titles.
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It' "Seems" a recognition to YOU... so what? Who did they "recognize as having won the 1990 Championship? Georgia Tech's coach or Colorado's coach...


In their 1992 book, the NCAA credited Fielding Yost as a champion for 1901. That's what I'm talking about.
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As "A" champion? Son, explain to me how one body, in this case the NCAA, can declare multiple champions for the same sport, and in the same division. How many teams won the NCAA tourny this year? How many teams won the DIII championship last year?
 
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