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We Can Move Up To 3rd In All-Time Winning Percentages This Year!

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I must admit, I don't understand what you're driving at here.

If Ohio State doesn't become #3 on the NCAA's list, they aren't #3.

OK. Is it fair for me to say, then, that if the sun rises tomorrow, the sun will rise tomorrow?

I don't know about your book, I trust that it's well edited and such. It's "official" to the extent that the NCAA is the governing body. Fine by me. In any case, Stassen has each team's historic scores.. that is, a data base of every game listed, opponant, score etc. I don't know if the NCAA book does the same.

In any case, Stassen or NCAA, the same 10 teams appear at the top in nearly every iteration of "all time greatest" programs. Whats' the difference between OSU and Michigan in terms of all time greatness? Nothing, really... save for maybe games played.

What's noteable is that Miami of Florida is nowhere to be found. :slappy:
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I'm saying that you can find Ohio State at #3 at these ad hoc sites, and who would care except a bunch of message board geeks? Unless they are #3 according to the NCAA, they aren't #3.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I don't know about your book, I trust that it's well edited and such. It's "official" to the extent that the NCAA is the governing body. Fine by me. In any case, Stassen has each team's historic scores.. that is, a data base of every game listed, opponant, score etc. I don't know if the NCAA book does the same.
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The NCAA does not. You can look those up in team media guides to find out where Stassen has it wrong.
 
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Of course whether Stassen is wrong depends on what the mistake is. In the case of Texas Stassen recognizes 3 forfeits that are not recognized in the official record, but at least 2 were mandated by the NCAA.

In this case it seems to me that the NCAA is mistaken, not Stassen. I understand completely why someone might not want to claim a win by forfeit, but it still should be part of the official record.
 
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Except that you can't find OSU # 3 using Stassen, which was me agreeing with you. That has apparently been lost on you.

The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA, often said "NC-Double-A") is a voluntary association of about 1200 institutions, conferences, organizations and individuals that organizes the athletics programs of many colleges and universities in the United States, Its headquarters are currently located in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Its predecessor, the Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States (IAAUS), was established on March 31,1906 to set rules for amateur sports in the United States (North American republic containing 50 states - 48 conterminous states in North America plus Alaska in northwest North America and the Hawaiian Islands in the Pacific Ocean; achieved independence in 1776)

Its creation was urged by then-president Theodore Roosevelt in reaction to his concern over the growing amount of serious injuries and deaths occurring in collegiate football, Exception Handler: No article summary found.The IAAUS later became the National Collegiate Athletic Association in 1910.
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Seems to me the NCAA didn't have a vested intrest in data compilation before 1906 AT BEST.. and even then, it was not organized to keep "official stats"

Fact is, none of us know anything about what happened in 1902, and we're engaged in a battle of experts - who purport to have the "straight poop." I don't see how my "expert" data is signifigantly different from your "expert" data. Let me ask you this, what point do you think I'm arguing?

Fact is, especially where early college football history is concerned, little is known today as to what actually transpired. It is not uncommon for the "Official" stats of a school to disagree with the "official stats" compiled by the NCAA. I forget the specific example, but it involved a stat analysis I was doing with NC State in 2004. It came out basically like this - NC State had an official stat of giving up say 1200 yards in 03, whereas the NCAA had them giving up 1250.

Dig?

Your NCAA data is as fallible as my "ad hoc" site, as you call it.
 
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xrayrandy said:
Of course whether Stassen is wrong depends on what the mistake is. In the case of Texas Stassen recognizes 3 forfeits that are not recognized in the official record, but at least 2 were mandated by the NCAA.

In this case it seems to me that the NCAA is mistaken, not Stassen. I understand completely why someone might not want to claim a win by forfeit, but it still should be part of the official record.
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The US Senate must be mistaken too, as they noted that Texas won their 800th game after they beat USC. Come on, some guy with website say it, so it must be so? Give me a break.

The Texas Tech forfeits were not mandated by the NCAA. No specific games were mentioned, none were forfeited and the NCAA didn't force the forfeits. I doubt Texas would count them if they did. On stassen's texas tech page, he fully admits they aren't forfeited, but then he goes into a whine about Texas Tech not counting them when he things they should and so, I guess to "show them", he says they forfeited them all. Nice tenth grade tactic there. "Nobody counts them except me, but I want them to count, so I'll count them." And then people think he's more accurate than the NCAA. Right.
 
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ktffan said:
The fact is, what the NCAA say is official.
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I haven't disputed that. My point is, you're quibbling with me about 3 games even where MY data supports YOUR orginal point.

Anyway, "official" does not require the conclusion "Error free"

Tell me this, what is Stassen's motivation to be wrong?

Then, riddle me this, did OSU win a National Title in 1961? 1970? Why? Why not?

How about Michigan's 1901 Championship? Does it count? Should we recognize Harvard or Yale instead?

Who did you like in 1928, Detroit, Georgia Tech or Southern Cal?
 
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ktffan said:
The fact is, what the NCAA say is official.
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Wrong. It's a voluntary organization which has abosolutely no control what happened before its inception...zero, zip, zilch, nada.

You even admitted earlier that the NCAA record book has no record of game-by-game results like cfbdatawarehouse and stassen do...those site did something that the NCAA decided not to do: actual fucking research.
 
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