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Always knew the Amish were trouble.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/

A yearlong sting operation, including aliases, a 5 a.m. surprise inspection and surreptitious purchases from an Amish farm in Pennsylvania, culminated in the federal government announcing this week that it has gone to court to stop Rainbow Acres Farm from selling its contraband to willing customers in the Washington area. The product in question: unpasteurized milk.
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knapplc;1924405; said:
Nanny State. :roll2:
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This includes Goat's Milk?

Fuck. (Don't tell Bailey.. oh, wait... Bailey was a male, god rest his bath salt assaulted soul)

Yeah, this is kind of stupid (As long as that GODDAMMED Amish is paying his taxes... I mean, I'd be concerned about offending all the Amish on the board, but, if you're Amish and reading this... I'm impressed with your PC skills... go surf for porn before someone realizes you have a computer) I digress.

This is kind of stupid, but, what I should do is wait for Dryden to pop in this thread and explain to us where the ground beef in the grocery store comes from... and point out that it's not outlawed.

Look, pastuerization is awesome. But you can't pastuerize everything. Yet we still can buy raw meat, shrimp, lettuce, oranges, and all kinds of other things that do have health risks too. Raw foods surround us, this is just another.

I actually got into a bit of a spat over unpasturized apple cider (not YET fermented) with the health department a few years back. I had to explain to them that I wasn't selling any apple cider, that I was selling apples and access to a crusher and press for people to make it themselves. They seemed ok with it-- though the topic never came up about whether I could actually sell the apples... I still don't know about that. But, yeah, even in a "do it yourself" setting, I warned people if they weren't going to ferment the stuff to drink it quickly...
 
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AKAKBUCK;1924421; said:
This is kind of stupid, but, what I should do is wait for Dryden to pop in this thread and explain to us where the ground beef in the grocery store comes from... and point out that it's not outlawed.
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Heh, now I don't have to, since you covered it. The Amish simply need to contribute as much to political campaigns, the USDA, and the FDA as Whole Foods and Trader Joes.

This is what happens when you piss off the Cargills, ConAgras, Tysons and Monsantos.

You would think the geniuses at the USDA and FDA would recognize that herbavores that get to eat grass (gasp!) instead of being force fed grain, manure, and animal parts don't get e. coli, salmonella, lysteria, or BSE.
 
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We buy raw milk from a local dairy which is organic and the cows are pastured/grass fed. It's fucking delicious, albeit a bit pricey. It's all our daughter gets, unless we're away from home.

I skim the cream off the top for my coffee from time to time and we make yogurt from it.

In order for it to be on the up and up we had to buy a 'share' of the cow, and pay 'boarding fees'. So, in essense, for it to be legal, we need to own the cow and pay for it's upkeep, and the milk is 'free'. It works out to $4 per half gallon - and we get a half gallon a week.

Well worth it in our opinion, for both the nutrition/health benefits for our little girl and for our efforts to be more 'locavore' in our food buying/eating habits.
 
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FCollinsBuckeye;1924457; said:
We buy raw milk from a local dairy which is organic and the cows are pastured/grass fed. It's fucking delicious, albeit a bit pricey. It's all our daughter gets, unless we're away from home.

I skim the cream off the top for my coffee from time to time and we make yogurt from it.

In order for it to be on the up and up we had to buy a 'share' of the cow, and pay 'boarding fees'. So, in essense, for it to be legal, we need to own the cow and pay for it's upkeep, and the milk is 'free'. It works out to $4 per half gallon - and we get a half gallon a week.

Well worth it in our opinion, for both the nutrition/health benefits for our little girl and for our efforts to be more 'locavore' in our food buying/eating habits.
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To me that highlights the problem with food in America. You have to pay $8 a gallon for fresh, unprocessed milk? That's outrageous.

We live in a fertile country, with knowledge of some of the most efficient ways to produce food, and we eat [Mark May]. Our technological proficiency has led to a food culture that is geared more toward profit than quality. McDonald's reigns supreme and preservatives and filler dominate our grocery shelves. If you buy pre-packaged food (dinner in a bag, or from most any fast-food chain) you're barely eating food. It's all chemicals and carbs and crap.

I live in America's breadbasket, smack in the middle of one of the most fertile sections of planet Earth around, and the food here is garbage. I barely eat out anymore because of it, and I have to go to two, three or four different grocery stores to find ingredients to cook at home. It's ridiculous, especially if you watch Travel Channel shows like No Reservations or Bizarre Foods where these guys go to third-world countries and eat bright, clean, fresh food on the street from vendors selling food that's not only cheaper than McDonald's, but healthier BY FAR, too. Americans should NOT eat worse than, say, the Sudanese, yet we do. Our food is crap, theirs is food.

We have a lot of things wrong in this country. Food is definitely one of them.
 
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Our "standard" food is inexpensive because it's produced in factories.

Our "natural," "locavore," and "artisan" foods are expensive because yuppies buy them (willing to pay a premium) and because they're expensive to produce.

There's nothing inherently wrong with factory-produced food, and nothing wrong with buying the Whole Foods - type products. It's a matter of economic and gastronomic choice.

Ultimately, health has more to do with whether you're eating potato chips vs. carrots rather than where the carrots came from.
 
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Dryden;1924436; said:
Heh, now I don't have to, since you covered it. The Amish simply need to contribute as much to political campaigns, the USDA, and the FDA as Whole Foods and Trader Joes.

This is what happens when you piss off the Cargills, ConAgras, Tysons and Monsantos.

You would think the geniuses at the USDA and FDA would recognize that herbavores that get to eat grass (gasp!) instead of being force fed grain, manure, and animal parts don't get e. coli, salmonella, lysteria, or BSE.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but are you suggesting that animals fed on grass do not have E. Coli in their digestive tracts?
 
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buck1973;1924474; said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but are you suggesting that animals fed on grass do not have E. Coli in their digestive tracts?
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It's not that E. Coli becomes non-existant, rather the specific strain harmful to humans, E. Coli O157:H7, does not run rampant and unchecked in grass raised cattle.

Researchers have demonstrated numerous times over the past 10-15 years or so that grass finished cattle shed over 80% of the E. Coli in the rumen before they're slaughtered. Grass raised cattle that never see feedlot life, growth hormones, or antibiotics can maintain the proper, neutral ph in the rumen through their entire lives, therefore the E. Coli that do reside in their stomachs do not become antibiotic resistant or acid resistant. E.g., If any of the E. Coli in grass raised beef does make it's way into your undercooked meat, your highly acidic stomach will kill it the way Mother Nature intended.
 
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Dryden;1924489; said:
It's not that E. Coli becomes non-existant, rather the specific strain harmful to humans, E. Coli O157:H7, does not run rampant and unchecked in grass raised cattle.

Researchers have demonstrated numerous times over the past 10-15 years or so that grass finished cattle shed over 80% of the E. Coli in the rumen before they're slaughtered. Grass raised cattle that never see feedlot life, growth hormones, or antibiotics can maintain the proper, neutral ph in the rumen through their entire lives, therefore the E. Coli that do reside in their stomachs do not become antibiotic resistant or acid resistant. E.g., If any of the E. Coli in grass raised beef does make it's way into your undercooked meat, your highly acidic stomach will kill it the way Mother Nature intended.
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The study which I see most referenced was published in Science in 1998. The problem with this and other early studies was that the researchers were not actually testing for the presence of E. Coli O157:H7. They were testing for acid resistant coliforms and assumed the mechanism of acid resistance in E. Coli O157:H7 was the same as other E. Coli strains normally found in the intestinal tract. Newer studies have shown that the mechanism of acid resistance of E. Coli O157:H7 is not the same as other common E. Coli strains and that the presence of E. Coli O157:H7 is independent of bovine diet. Two of these studies can be found at the following links:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12935748
http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/ajvr.2000.61.1375

There are definitely health benefits which can be attributed to grass fed animals (e.g. fat content and others). There are, however, a lot of half-truths and false information floating around. A lot of times, people will latch on to early studies and not continue to follow it through the literature. If anybody is really interested in food-borne pathogens, take Microbiology 636.01 (Food Microbiology) at Ohio State. You will probably learn more than you want to know.
 
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