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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Jeffcat;895560; said:
Why not save us some time and just post your stuff directly to Snopes.
OSU's offense was not on the field when VY showed his ability under pressure. He was faced with as good a college defense as I have ever had the pleasure to watch and he scored... he scored on the road, in one of the most difficult venues in college football...
He repeated the trick TWICE in the Rose Bowl, the second time against a hostile audiance.
Now before you run down who he beat ask yourself two questions: how do teams get into major bowl games? (clue, not by being lucky, possible exception ND) how do all players make their reputations? (clue, by doing well in big pressure games)
And think about this; if Michigan's 04, 05, 06 teams sucked, where is the glory in having beaten them? By logical extension you are saying that Troy Smith didn't prove a damn thing and that the Big 10s top two teams are mediocre.
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Jeffcat
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cincibuck;895639; said:
our defense in 05 was very good, but "one of the best you have ever watched" is a bit of an exaggeration. As talented as the secondary was, they did give up quite a few yards to more than a couple teams that year including texas. However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, because the defense was very good nonetheless. Again, if texas loses that game, would VY be enshrined like he is still? What would the media have said then? They would of pointed out throwing a pick or their offensive struggles, because OSU definitely didn't have any offense besides FGs that game.
what trick?
Ask yourself this....what makes ND an exception? Texas in 05 played, in a very real manner, nobody outside of OSU and USC. OU and texas tech were probably the best teams they played in that conference and tech lost their bowl game after getting wins in the weak conference and so did OU even though they were somewhat shafted out of it. How was VY not lucky? He ran into a team in a QB debacle in OSU, with their major defensive weakness being the secondary, and their TE drops a winning TD catch being wide open. Then, played a USC defense that was already not as good as the previous year, and then was slammed by injuries. Let's not forget that VY gets the credit for the win over USC, but if texas's defense didn't come up in the clutch and stop white on 4th and 2 and the 3rd down before that, then the game is over and texas loses...once again VY gets all the fame though because his defense saves him(which they also did a lot of his rookie NFL year with ints).
When is beating michigan never glorious for OSU? michigan could be winless in a year and it would still be glorious after all the letdowns in the 90s vs them. And I am not going to say that all of those michigan team's sucked, but they sure were not up to snuff with how they were protrayed. Last year, they were thumped by USC and the year before were beat by nebraska. However, I will side with the michigan fans there, because they were victims to a horribly officiated game after a mediocre year. Then in 04 michigan gets exposed by OSU and texas, which was intriguing because that was the defining game for that bunch of players because nobody expected OSU to do what it did to michigan that year. Troy smith earned his heisman and while his stats were not "heismanlike", they were definitely not anything to frown upon. One could make the case that smith was just the benefit of weak scheduling, but there were some rather large games in which he played well, so he seems to of earned his right to the heisman considering there was less than stellar heisman competition. Smith also played on widely viewed scale on the east coast in 3 games against #2 teams last year and a couple plays that caught the eye which sparked his heisman(penn state). OSU-michigan is never the same as any other game. It is one of the few games where you can throw everything out, because you never know for sure what to expect beforehand, regardless of records, which is what makes its such a great rivalry.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Just one final clarification, I never said Troy Smith was lucky and you will never hear me knock him or suggest that he won the Heisman because it was an off year. He won because he didn't have to play against Wisconsin. (note use of sarcasm font)
Now then: If 'ands' and 'buts' were candy and nuts we'd all have a hell of a Christmas.
That being said, you have absolutely flummoxed me with your logic.
I surrender.
Here's what I 've learned:
Vince Young is the luckiest person in the world outside of Charlie Weiss.
Tom Brady sucks 'cause the Patriots always got the easy team in the Super Bowl.
Manning sucks 'cause they played a Bear's defense that everyone knew was overrated.
Jesse Owens was always running down hill and with the wind behind him.
Koufax got all the calls.
Nicklaus won because all the other guys on the tour were midgets.
Everyone knows they grooved the pitches to Aaron.
You make Bill Russell play on the Royals and he never would have won an NBA championship.
The Ohio State - Michigan game is great because, even though both teams are overrated, it packs the stadium.
That about wrap it up for you?
Now then: If 'ands' and 'buts' were candy and nuts we'd all have a hell of a Christmas.
That being said, you have absolutely flummoxed me with your logic.
I surrender.
Here's what I 've learned:
Vince Young is the luckiest person in the world outside of Charlie Weiss.
Tom Brady sucks 'cause the Patriots always got the easy team in the Super Bowl.
Manning sucks 'cause they played a Bear's defense that everyone knew was overrated.
Jesse Owens was always running down hill and with the wind behind him.
Koufax got all the calls.
Nicklaus won because all the other guys on the tour were midgets.
Everyone knows they grooved the pitches to Aaron.
You make Bill Russell play on the Royals and he never would have won an NBA championship.
The Ohio State - Michigan game is great because, even though both teams are overrated, it packs the stadium.
That about wrap it up for you?
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Jeffcat
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cincibuck;895724; said:
I am glad I enlightened you
I wouldn't say VY is the luckiest, because he is about to have a horrid year...write that down. Charlie Weiss hasn't been too lucky except for his paycheck.
Tom Brady is a pretty good QB, but you can't really knock on him because he made it to the super bowl multiple times and to get there you have to play almost everybody in the regular season and playoffs, so I can't really knock on the NFL as a whole being weak.
Manning is a good QB. He won't suck just because they played an inferior team in the super bowl. AFC>NFC
jesse owens has never run downhill on any noticeably sloped tracks and at some point and time the track would have to come back up in a 400 meter or longer event.
koufax is...well koufax
Nicklaus had a stellar run during his career. No midgets have been on the tour to my knowledge, so it is hard to say how well they could of done, but the shorter length in clubs would probably hinder the distance they could hit. Palmer was not a midget though and a solid player.
It is hard to claim they grooved every pitch to aaron over such a long period of time. That is just a Skipheresy.
Bill Russell is a bad man.
Well, in some cases, OSU-michigan is overrated, but in most instances, it is not. OSU pulled a lot of chokejobs in the 90s and michigan has been overrated a lot in the past decade. I'll just blame michigan, because at least OSU has won most of its major bowl games. OSU-michigan is still the best rivalry in the nation.
That's a wrap.
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Oneshot;894367; said:
I hope you are kidding. If you aren't, you blew on a trumpet at half time in high school.
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Jeffcat;895711; said:
Wait....a single defensive stop is now more impressive than leading two touchdown drives within the span of 6:42? Good lord. Time to go spread some rep (again).
Damn. I don't know why I can't stop taking the bait. I think it might be an illness.
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Bucky Katt;895787; said:Wait....a single defensive stop is now more impressive than leading two touchdown drives within the span of 6:42? Good lord. Time to go spread some rep (again).
Damn. I don't know why I can't stop taking the bait. I think it might be an illness.
ummm well considering texas's good defense was going against USC's good offense and texas stopped them in the clutch to save the opportunity for VY to march down the field on USC's weak defense, then yea, sure. I'm glad you included the idea of the time he did it in, because that was all that mattered vs USC at that point and time. It was only a matter of time.
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