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MililaniBuckeye

MililaniBuckeye

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    • JFC. You can't watch a fucking video clip on a news or sports site any more without having to sit through a fucking ad before the clip is played. Yeah, at least some clips allow you to skip the ad after 5 seconds or so, or at least show how many more seconds you have to turn your head and/or mute the audio before you get to watch the clip, but the last three I saw just displayed "Ad 1 of 1" and played with no option of skipping or displaying a countdown timer.

    Mark my words, within five years you won't be able to go to any site without having to deal with auto-playing, non-pausible, non-mutable ads on every fucking page. I wouldn't even be surprised to see it get to the point that you can't even boot up your computer without having to sit through an ad from your ISP.
     
    It is ridiculous.....sit through a 30 second ad for less than a two minute clip. Unfortunately I believe you're right on the money about them being on all sites, they are quickly becoming more and more prevalent, hell some sites automatically play the video ads that have fucking zero to do with watching clips, it's uber annoying....
     
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    What is ridiculous is that it took so long for ads to become a developed medium on websites. We still have the same 4 commercials on loop when streaming pandora (or TV shows).

    Despite the entitlement of the internet, things still cost money to host and produce.
     
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    Yep, my point isn't that a site shouldn't have ads somewhere on the page to generate revenue and cover hosting costs, but being forced to watch a 15-30 second commercial before you can watch an ESPN sports highlight clip, a CNN news clip, or a Youtube video. Hell, even the Youtube videos that don't force you to watch an ad beforehand now having those annoying ad boxes that pop up right in the middle of the screen...you close it out and later another appears. Just today I went to some site that linked off of either IO9 or Gizmodo and it had a 400x300-ish sized ad on the side with no controls to mute or pause it. And it's not like if you watch an ad on the page before watching the clip, you can watch subsequent clips ad-free...they have ads for every fucking clip...
     
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    MililaniBuckeye said:
    Yep, my point isn't that a site shouldn't have ads somewhere on the page to generate revenue and cover hosting costs, but being forced to watch a 15-30 second commercial before you can watch an ESPN sports highlight clip, a CNN news clip, or a Youtube video.
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    So you prefer the ad no one sees and thus provides virtually no value. Your last sentence is the sole reason you clicked on that link and if you're like me, you're closing the tab afterwards. So unless the ad is on the content, it has not reached you
    Hell, even the Youtube videos that don't force you to watch an ad beforehand now having those annoying ad boxes that pop up right in the middle of the screen...you close it out and later another appears.
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    yes they do, and sometimes you can't skip them (some of the ads last minutes).

    But the real genius is them training people to believe they aren't forced to watch ads when they are allowed to click skip, after the brand has been registered once more in the customers brain, often in a commercial they know well from tv.

    YouTube is a mature, diverse advertising platform. They also have a loyal customer base that badgers4ever's blog (or news station 24) does not. They did not always have ads like this.

    As for aggressive pop ups, that is the byproduct of an immature ad system. I would also argue that a predictable, front stage ad on a video clip would be much easier to endure than being inundated with pop ups on the sides. The latter is the sole source of revenue for most websites and they strive to get attention and clicks however they can, so it becomes acceptable and common and thus featured alongside videos.
     
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    jwinslow said:
    So you prefer the ad no one sees and thus provides virtually no value. Your last sentence is the sole reason you clicked on that link and if you're like me, you're closing the tab afterwards. So unless the ad is on the content, it has not reached youyes they do, and sometimes you can't skip them (some of the ads last minutes).
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    Look right here at BP. There are ads in the header, under the first post, and in the footer. Yet C-Dog enforces a no-audio policy, and you're not forced to sit through an ad to make a fucking post.

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    But the real genius is them training people to believe they aren't forced to watch ads when they are allowed to click skip, after the brand has been registered once more in the customers brain, often in a commercial they know well from tv.
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    I'm fully aware of their underhanded tactic of "allowing " you to lick through an ad after a few seconds, and it pisses me off almost as much as not having that option. They do that only because they know that if they forced everyone to sit through a full ad for every single video, then their traffic would dry up. I also know that this is likely the first step to their eventually doing that very thing...

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    YouTube is a mature, diverse advertising platform. They also have a loyal customer base that badgers4ever's blog (or news station 24) does not. They did not always have ads like this.
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    YouTube has only recently started this shit with forced ads because other sites like CNN have been doing it...much like how a few airlines started charging extra for bulkhead and emergency room seats under the guise of "Coach Plus" or "Premium Seating" a while back, and now virtually every airline does. As for a "loyal" (aka very little other option) fanbase, YouTube also has so many worldwide viewers that even their old style method of displaying ads--that weren't nearly as blatant and intrusive--generated a crap-ton of money. They're simply now squeezing blood from a turnip...
     
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    MililaniBuckeye said:
    Look right here at BP. There are ads in the header, under the first post, and in the footer. Yet C-Dog enforces a no-audio policy, and you're not forced to sit through an ad to make a fucking post.
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    You have to scroll past them and it doesn't come close to paying our bills. Besides even with his major efforts to curb intrusive ads, we still encounter them. That's on a message board where the conversation and users are the entire purpose of the site compared to stand alone news sites who are unlikely to hear from customers when an ad is oppressive.
    I'm fully aware of their underhanded tactic of "allowing " you to lick through an ad after a few seconds, and it pisses me off almost as much as not having that option. They do that only because they know that if they forced everyone to sit through a full ad for every single video, then their traffic would dry up. I also know that this is likely the first step to their eventually doing that very thing...
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    They know it's about the only way to get people to watch them without an uproar.
    YouTube has only recently started this [Mark May] with forced ads because other sites like CNN have been doing it...much like how a few airlines started charging extra for bulkhead and emergency room seats under the guise of "Coach Plus" or "Premium Seating" a while back, and now virtually every airline does. As for a "loyal" (aka very little other option) fanbase, YouTube also has so many worldwide viewers that even their old style method of displaying ads--that weren't nearly as blatant and intrusive--generated a crap-ton of money. They're simply now squeezing blood from a turnip...
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    You can live in fantasy world if you'd like, but Google has always been about advertisements and market share.

    Your airline comparison is terrible. You are paying huge sums of money for the service and they are squeezing blood from turnips. Websites are offering up content for free and daring to offend you with 15-30 seconds of advertisements and you cry bloody murder because you can't skip them altogether.

    Youtube is making a lot of ad revenue money. I'd be very curious to hear how much revenue the random blog or news site is making on them, given what we know about BP's revenue streams.
     
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    jwinslow said:
    Your airline comparison is terrible. You are paying huge sums of money for the service and they are squeezing blood from turnips. Websites are offering up content for free and daring to offend you with 15-30 seconds of advertisements and you cry bloody murder because you can't skip them altogether.
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    How long has YouTube been around? Almost a decade? If these intrusive and invading video ads were so necessary, why didn't they exist before until just recently? Are you seriously implying that before these ads that YouTube was running on no income?
     
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    DoctorWho said:
    They've had ads for several years now
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    Yep, but they've gotten progressively numerous and more intrusive lately. Up until maybe 3-4 months ago, even if they had an ad it almost always had the option to skip after 4-5 seconds, and the ads weren't on nearly every video. Just yesterday, I was watching (actually listening) to a clip of a whole Tchaikovsky album, perusing through it to see if its version of the 1812 Overture was the same I had on album back in high school...right in the middle of the clip it fucking stopped, loaded an ad, and forced me to sit through 10 seconds of it before I could skip it and resume playback. Imagine if the ABC/ESPN/FOX pulled that shit in the middle of a game...
     
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    MililaniBuckeye said:
    Yep, but they've gotten progressively numerous and more intrusive lately. Up until maybe 3-4 months ago, even if they had an ad it almost always had the option to skip after 4-5 seconds, and the ads weren't on nearly every video. Just yesterday, I was watching (actually listening) to a clip of a whole Tchaikovsky album, perusing through it to see if its version of the 1812 Overture was the same I had on album back in high school...right in the middle of the clip it fucking stopped, loaded an ad, and forced me to sit through 10 seconds of it before I could skip it and resume playback. Imagine if the ABC/ESPN/FOX pulled that [Mark May] in the middle of a game...
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    Pushing videos in HD isn't cheap.
     
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