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BuckTwenty said:
They're going to miss Ed Orgeron too.

However, we're missing Tucker and Snyder- both of our D-Coordinators. Are we supposed to drop a game that we shouldn't too? Though Chow & Orgeron were a couple of the best assistant coaches in the college game, I don't think that theory holds quite as much water.
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Chow is a master of making positive matchups for their offense against the defense. The prime example was against Oklahoma...does anyone think that USC is that much better than Oklahoma? You can have the greatest talent in the world, but if you don't call the right plays you ain't scoring shit...
 
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They're going to miss Ed Orgeron too.

However, we're missing Tucker and Snyder- both of our D-Coordinators. Are we supposed to drop a game that we shouldn't too? Though Chow & Orgeron were a couple of the best assistant coaches in the college game, I don't think that theory holds quite as much water.
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Chow is a master of making positive matchups for their offense against the defense. The prime example was against Oklahoma...does anyone think that USC is that much better than Oklahoma? You can have the greatest talent in the world, but if you don't call the right plays you ain't scoring shit...
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Mili - agree with your take on the ability of Chow to create opportunistic match-ups when USC held the ball. That has always been the hallmark of Chow's work as OC anywhere he sent in the plays.
To further that idea, there is no comparison between losing a proven long-time OC like Chow and a fella with one year under his belt as the DC at the top college level in Snyder. The bigger hit for the Buckeyes came with the departure of D'Antonio. Snyder's move (good for him BTW) is more of a ripple. Plus, I'd argue that Chow wasn't just "one of the best" but rather the best OC in college football -- period.
Anyway, all Vega$ odds tell anyone right now is where the money has been flowing. Buckeyes started out at longer odds, looked like a value bet; folks plunk down their hard-earned, bookies shorten those odds to decrease the value to future punters in choosing the Buckeyes. This could all become academic if USC can't get over the jet-lag when they visit Hawaii ...and many good teams do fall foul of Pele when hosted by the Rainbows.
 
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Damn, look at those odds!!! USC is the clear favorite, and they deserve it. Then there's Florida (there's a seperate thread to discuss their chances), the Horns, and the Bucks. That night game will be SWEET!!!! What a match-up!

And my Shaker Heights counterpart (Zurp) is going to a wedding that day!!! HA! :bonk:

By the way, after looking up the little smiley thing, I just noticed that Tibor has his own personal smiley! Man, now that's status! Maybe I could get one of my own....like a preaching turtle or something.
 
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I know this is being a stretch, but do you realize the similarities if OSU plays USC in the Rose to when OSU played Miami?

Smith (14-1 if we go undefeated and he starts all games except Miami) = Krenzel (14-1)

Play a top program at home (Texas/WSU)

USC would have a 34 game winning streak, Miami had a 34 game winning streak

Leinart I think would be 38-1, Dorsey was 38-1

Upset Michigan year before both years.

#7 goes both ways and a true soph (Ginn/Gamble)

USC has two heisman contenders (Leinart/Bush) Miami had two heisman contenders (Dorsey/McGahee)

there is some other stuff to i think, but hey, it just seems a litte weird.
 
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See:

http://www.bettorsreport.com/default.asp?c=bettorsreport&page=cfoot/odds/CAESARS-BCS.htm

Caesers currently has Ohio State at 15-1, behind USC (-140), Texas (10-1), and Michigan (10-1). And tied with Miami, Iowa, and Oklahoma.



***** Las Vegas College Football Line *****
(Courtesy of Caesars Palace Las Vegas)


ODDS TO WIN 2006 BCS CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
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CURRENT ODDS AS OF APRIL 11TH (04/11/2005)



OPEN CURRENT
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U-S-C 2-1 -140
MIAMI-FLORIDA 10-1 15-1
TEXAS 12-1 10-1
MICHIGAN 12-1 12-1
IOWA 15-1 15-1
FLORIDA STATE 15-1 20-1
OKLAHOMA 18-1 15-1
TENNESSEE 18-1 20-1
FLORIDA 20-1 20-1
VIRGINIA TECH 20-1 18-1
L-S-U 25-1 30-1
TEXAS A&M 25-1 30-1
OHIO STATE 30-1 15-1
LOUISVILLE 30-1 25-1
ALABAMA 35-1 30-1
MINNESOTA 35-1 50-1
FRESNO STATE 40-1 40-1
GEORGIA 40-1 50-1
BOISE STATE 50-1 60-1
GEORGIA TECH 60-1 70-1
VIRGINIA 60-1 70-1
U-C-L-A 70-1 70-1
BOSTON COLLEGE 70-1 80-1
AUBURN 80-1 80-1
ARIZONA STATE 80-1 125-1
SOUTH CAROLINA 100-1 125-1
NEBRASKA 100-1 100-1
MICHIGAN STATE 100-1 125-1
WISCONSIN 100-1 125-1
IOWA STATE 100-1 125-1
OKLAHOMA STATE 125-1 125-1
OREGON 125-1 125-1
MISSOURI 150-1 150-1
BOWLING GREEN 150-1 150-1
TEXAS TECH 175-1 175-1
PENN STATE 175-1 150-1
UTAH 175-1 300-1
CALIFORNIA 200-1 85-1
NORTH CAROLINA 200-1 300-1
TEXAS-EL PASO 250-1 300-1
WEST VIRGINIA 300-1 300-1
COLORADO 400-1 400-1
NOTRE DAME 500-1 175-1
PITTSBURGH 600-1 600-1
SYRACUSE 700-1 700-1
WASHINGTON 750-1 750-1
NEVADA 800-1 800-1
B-Y-U 850-1 850-1
U-N-L-V 950-1 950-1
FIELD (All Others) 18-1 18-1
 
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BuckTwenty -

I don't know where in my post about USC's not winning the NC next season you understood me to be saying Ohio State would and doesn't suffer potential similar pitfalls. My statement was about USC and USC only. Might OSU drop a game it shouldn't? They might. But, again, I wasn't commenting on OSU, now was I?

That said, I do like OSU's chances next season. A bit of homerism, and a bit of analysis have lead me to conclude that OSU has a better than average shot to end up in the Rose Bowl (in fairness to USC, so do they). It's an awefully tall order to say any team is "in" so soon though.

There are 118 teams that won't win the NC next year. I stand by my statement that USC will be one of these 118. It's actually the easiest prediction to make.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
There are 118 teams that won't win the NC next year. I stand by my statement that USC will be one of these 118. It's actually the easiest prediction to make.
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Actually, I think Buffalo not winning the NC might be the easiest prediction to make. :biggrin:
 
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sandgk said:
This could all become academic if USC can't get over the jet-lag when they visit Hawaii ...and many good teams do fall foul of Pele when hosted by the Rainbows.
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USC will flat out kill Hawaii...bank it. USC doesn't have to travel as far, the time difference is about half, and they play early in the season...in fact it's the season opener.

The distance factor become exponential as the season progresses. Visiting defenses tire quickly after having played a tough season and then having to fly 5,000 miles with little rest only to play a fast, run and shoot team like Hawaii. Had Northwestern and Michigan State played at Hawaii prior to, instead of after, Big Ten play they would've pounded Hawaii. Case in point, both Northwestern and Michigan State totally dominated Hawaii early (NW led 13-0 after the first quarter, and Michigan State 21-0 midway through the second quarter). In fact, both Northwestern and Michigan State had more total offense than Hawaii (535-498 and 598-536). However, big plays by Chad Owens killed both teams as their defenses tired...he ran free through their worn out secondaries. Here's his receiving stats for the two games:

NW: 9 catches, 155 yards, 4 TD
MSU: 13 catches, 283 yards, 4 TD

Four of his eight TD catches were 35 yards or more. Oh yeah, special team were also affected as he also returned a punt 76 yards for a TD against the Wildcats.

Back to the USC game here, since it's the season opener both teams will be totally fresh. While a 5-hour flight is never fun, there's a huge difference between a 5-hour direct flight and 9-12 hour multiple stop flights. I just came back from a four-day trip to Orlando, and the return trip was brutal. Big Ten teams would face about the same length of travel, and they would not be in the mood to play a good game of football afterward. USC will be able to shake off the effect of their flight not only because it is half as long, but because it's the season opener they'll be able to arrive much earlier to rest up and get better acclimated to the smaller time difference.

Hawaii will have to face to the same thing that Northwestern and Michigan State faced, and that's a long trip to play a good team (they play at Michigan State the week after they play USC). I'll put big money that MIchigan State puts a big hurt on Hawaii this time around.
 
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Dryden said:
I don't understand why you think USC would struggle in the Big-10, since the circumstantial evidence indicates that, at least lately, USC would be reasonably dominate. All USC has done is arguably played the best all-around football since about the midpoint of the 2002 season. In 2002 and 2003, USC laughed their way through two successive Big-10 champions (or co-champions) Iowa and Michigan. Hell, even a middling Arizona State team last year did something that OSU couldn't do: beat Northwestern, Iowa AND Purdue.
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As for Arizona State beating Iowa, I think anyone who knows anything about college football would agree that the Iowa team that developed over the course of the season was much better than that which lost to Arizona State. Besides, if Arizona State (the third best Pac-10 team last year) was so good last year, how in the world did they lose to Arizona at the end of the season, a team that went 3-8 overall? The second best Pac-10 team was Cal, and I'm still waiting for someone to give me a reason why they were a good team relative to the top teams in the rest of the country. As I've said before, I don't think you can call yourself a good team if your biggest claim to fame is a loss (against USC). Cal played absolutely nobody all year long and proved what a mediocre, overrated team they were when they were pounded in the Holiday bowl by a Texas Tech team that wasn't even that good (8-4 record overall). I'm still waiting for someone to convince me that the Pac-10 was a good conference. The argument that a few teams (Cal and Arizona State) piled up a bunch of in-conference wins against their lowly Pac-10 counterparts is unavailing.
 
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