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US Apologize to Iraqi's for errors

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wolf

I am a vetern of Desert Storm.I come from a long line of war time vets.
You dishonor those brave dead with your attitude.
They certainly did not die in vain. Thousands are safer today and their future is safer as well. That includes Iraqis as well as Americans.
Your view of the world is short sighted. Bury your head and hope things go away.
George Bush took a real political risk in this undertaking. He did it because it was the decent thing to do. Unlike Clinton, he met this challenge head on and acted like a leader that cares about the safety of the American people and even the world.
 
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You dishonor those brave dead with your attitude.
They certainly did not die in vain. Thousands are safer today and their future is safer as well. That includes Iraqis as well as Americans.
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If thats what you believe thats your own opinion.

Iraq wasn't behind pearl habor, WWI/WWII, Communism or 9/11 so I disagree.

BTW I have a cousin in Iraq and a brother in Afgan, they are there to do their jobs nothing more.

The rest of my family (not my cousin or brother) has fallen for Bush's propaganda.
 
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Thousands are safer today and their future is safer as well. That includes Iraqis as well as Americans.
Your view of the world is short sighted
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I hope that the future is safer but I fear that in 10 or so years we will have a whole new crops of Osama's who have been emboldened by the shortsided view that Bush took with the Iraq invasion.

George Bush took a real political risk in this undertaking.
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Not really. After 9/11, most of the country was behind him which is typical for the country when in crisis. So again, not much risk. But the way he handled made it risky.

Unlike Clinton, he met this challenge head on and acted like a leader that cares about the safety of the American people and even the world.
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Did you support the Clinton administration when we got involved in Somalia? Kosovo area? That was helping make the world a safer place. And don't forget, when some embassies got bombed in Africa, Clinton quickly ordered cruise missiles launched into the Afghanistan caves. He WAS trying to take out Osama, but the immediate reaction of the Republicans on Capitol Hill was that Clinton was only doing that to divert attention away from Lewinsky. The only thing that mattered to some at that time was "Where has the cigar been".
 
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Buckeyeprof

I did support President Clinton in Kosovo. It was a case of another brutal dictator that needed removed.
I didn't disapprove of President Clinton for pure political reasons. There were several times I supported his decisions.
I remember well his holding of a press conference and he was getting drilled preety well for his stance on supposed budget cuts. He remarked that Washington DC was the only place he knew of that a smaller increase in spending could actually be considered a "cut".
I too thought at times the Republican party was concentrating too much on his sex scandal. Impeachment proceedings were a waste of time and money.
I had come to the conclusion that he was less than desirable as both a human being and a president but I was willing to merely wait out his time in office and say good ridance.
I also supported Clinton on his stance on the death penalty.
As far as Osama though, he had a chance to take him into custody from the Sudenese and refused.
There were a few in his early administration that believed a preemptive strike on N. Korea was a good idea. Hit them and destroy their bomb making facilities. He instead chose to send Carter there and in true Chamberlain appeasement style, Jimmy came back and said that N. Korea could be counted on as a stable peace partner.This was a horrible mistake.
He then proceeded to send Mr. Kim aid and light water supplys for his power plant and Mr. Kim merely st out and starved approximately one million of his people.
I think the N. Korean situation has to be layed solely on Mr. Clinton and his administration.
The afgan operation was not a political risk because of 9-11. But The Iraq operation was in that he could've been safer politically to just sit back and rest on his accomplishments against Al Qaeda.
He Knew the challanges that lay ahead of him in Iraq and he he decided to get Saddam anyways. I truly believe he did it because it was the right thing to do. Not for political reason.
 
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as opposed to the unknown (but you bet your ass the number is high) of innocent people killed in Georges Crusade as well as the numerous attacks the U.S will recieve in the future for pissing off the entire world.

This is Rome all over again......Al-quida playing the role of viking hordes.
 
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So instead of opposing evil, we should be fearful of the consequences of righteous action and sit back as people are slaughtered and terrorists continue to strike the US, Israel, Spain, wherever. Good plan.
 
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So instead of opposing evil, we should be fearful of the consequences of righteous action and sit back as people are slaughtered and terrorists continue to strike the US, Israel, Spain, wherever. Good plan.
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Instead of bombing a country that had nothing to do with the 911 attacks we should bomb an oil rich country for no reason just like Osama predicted we would, and add to the propaganda he will continue to feed the notion the United States is evil. Great plan.
 
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From my time spent in Saudia Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq I found that the Arabs in general did not hate us.Many would love to live here. I talked to one Saudi officer who hated his country for their backwards ways. He talked a lot about marriage and how they were planned in his country. He said there was no love in Saudi. He loved the U.S but was fearful of saying as much.
There only major problem with us was our support of Israel.
Osama and the fanatics like him are I believe few and far between.
Wringing our hands over him and worrying about them multiplying is a useless waste of time.
The best way to deal with criminals such as him is to seek him out and destroy him first before he does any more harm to us.
 
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Perception is not reality. I don't care what a bunch of evil Islamofacists think about me or my country.
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One's perception IS one's reality. The "evil Islamofacists" perception of the "evil US" can be reinforced by Osama propaganda thanks to the invasion of Iraq. We have no way of knowing right now if the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses hasn't created 100's of future Osama's who are only 10 - 15 years old right now.
 
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I do agree that it is a shame that so many brave men had to die, for the freedom of a people whom should have had a right to freedom in the first place.

However that is the reality of our world.

You will never get me to say that War is not full of senseless death, I have studied history, and War is nothing more than the will of the strong being imposed on the weak when "diplomacy" fails.

There are several degrees of diplomacy that you look at, there is diplomacy of people like Hittler, Stalin, and Hussein, who march into a country and claim it to be their's, rulling by fear, and intimidation.

Then there are diplomacies like we see with Isreal and palestine, or the United States and Iraq. Where two parties just can't trust each other enough to talk things through and make a go of it. Granted there is history in both cases to explain the distrust.

Finally there is diplomacy, when one side says finally, I don't care what you say I'm going to do it anyway, which is what N. Korea, and Taliban led Afghanastan said.

It is all senseless, although not without a point. The truth is we as a nation would not be where we are today, free, powerful, strong, wealthy, etc. if it were not for the deaths of millions of men throughout the years. It is too bad that the human race is not more rational and compationate. That Ideas have to divide us so strongly to the point that we feel the need to fight to the death. It is just stupid.

Unfortunately, I don't see the end of it, and until there is an end the senseless killing will go on. For the greater good we can assume, well that's what the history books will say anyway.

Please don't take what I am saying wrong, I am eternally greatful for any man, woman, or in some cases even child, who laid their life on the line so that I can enjoy the freedoms I have today. There is great honor in that. War is however something we don't need nor want, and I think what Wolf is saying is we may have been better off without it.

The price is great, and that is a shame.
 
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