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DiamondBuck

DiamondBuck

Football is 100% physical, 100% mental.
In the midst of our schadenfreude regarding RR, there seems to be little notice of the major wailing and gnashing of teeth happening at PSU. At the risk of incurring bad karma:

This is just a bad team...
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=6499846

Wow! This is far worse than I previously imagined. A real
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=6509530

Ranking Saturday's Disaster
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=6507846

The Bad and the Ugly (there was no good)
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=6504526
 
I don't know that any of this is unexpected though. Rebuilding an offense led by an overachieving QB is always a recipe for disaster, and it usually includes leaving the defense high and dry with all the three-and-outs, circa Ohio State 2004. Devlin transferring always meant 2010 was going to be a lost season, and their O Line has been overrated a lot in recent season (see Cam's domination last year). This year it's an even more obvious weakness. Penn State hasn't scored a TD on a ranked team this season and turns the ball over a lot against decent defenses, and Illinois has a very good defense.

Illinois is in the same boat ... good defense, lots of holes on offense.
 
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I love subtlety...


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Illinois has 13 players on its roster from PA, NJ, VA, & DC.

Ohio State has 14 players from the same region.

When Penn State mattered, they owned recruiting in that area and they were able to steal some great players from Ohio too. Nowadays, there's nobody like Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, Joe Jurevicius, OJ McDuffie, Jeff Hartings or Todd Blackledge going east out of Ohio to play for them. Furthermore, other schools (even middling programs like Illinois) are coming into their backyard and taking away talented players almost at will.
 
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Illinois has 13 players on its roster from PA, NJ, VA, & DC.

Ohio State has 14 players from the same region.

When Penn State mattered, they owned recruiting in that area and they were able to steal some great players from Ohio too. Nowadays, there's nobody like Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, Joe Jurevicius, OJ McDuffie, Jeff Hartings or Todd Blackledge going east out of Ohio to play for them. Furthermore, other schools (even middling programs like Illinois) are coming into their backyard and taking away talented players almost at will.
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UConn, Rutgers, Va Tech, etc all matter now too. Even if it's only one or two guys a year per school ... that might be six or eight or ten guys a year Penn State can't get now that were signed, sealed, and delivered 20 years ago. That's half a recruiting class every year.
 
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jlb1705;1790318; said:
Illinois has 13 players on its roster from PA, NJ, VA, & DC.

Ohio State has 14 players from the same region.

When Penn State mattered, they owned recruiting in that area and they were able to steal some great players from Ohio too. Nowadays, there's nobody like Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, Joe Jurevicius, OJ McDuffie, Jeff Hartings or Todd Blackledge going east out of Ohio to play for them. Furthermore, other schools (even middling programs like Illinois) are coming into their backyard and taking away talented players almost at will.
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That's what happens when your head coach is too damn old to recruit...
 
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Posts from another board:

The last two home games we've been lucky enough to tailgate with a member of the coaching staffs family before the games. We asked one of the coaches wives what was going on with the program and the staff and the answers were disturbing to say the least. She said.........

1. Joe is not at practice more than an hour a day. He also rarely if ever attends any of the coaching or game prep meetings. She said people don't know how sick he was in the offseason implying that he went through a serious medical issue that has not been publicly reported. He has absolutely zero input into the gameplanning, and doesn't even know what it is until Friday night.

2. The dissention amongst the staff is at an all-time high. When Joe is not there, it's a contest to see who can act like they are in charge. There have been verbal arguments in front of the team in the middle of practice sessions between assistant coaches yelling at each other that they are in charge and are going to do what they want at that point of practice.

3. Multiple coaches on the staff have been reaching out to gauge interest from other programs as they are worried about their future in the program. One "high profile" coach on the staff actually reached out to the head coach of another PA school over the summer saying he was worried about his future at PSU and laying the groundwork for a possible move in the future.

4. There is a process in place amongst the staff to determine if a high school prospect should get an offer. Some of the coaches will vote against offering or recruiting certain kids just to spite the coaches who want them offered or are their primary recruiters. Whether this is actually going on or not I do not know, but at least one coach on the staff feels that way. For this reason, the coaches who actually do recruit have basically thrown their hands in the air and almost stopped recruiting all together.

5. "If Tom Bradley is the next head coach, the real coaches will leave in about 30 seconds."

After hearing this stuff, I really feel bad for the kids on the team. This staff and Joe in paticular should be completely ashamed and embarrassed at their behavior. The sad part is I don't think Joe even has a clue what's going on because he's never around.

I don't know if we're going to win a game the rest of the year. The team has quit, the coaches have quit and morale is at an all-time low.
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I didn't want to post any of the dirty laundry that I had been told but now that the cat's out of the bag...

1) I can 100% verify the practice shenanigans. FWIW, Marsh is right about Paterno being less and less involved over the years. This year has been the worst by far. Essentially, and I don't blame the young kids, this is a program w/o any leadership and the kids see it...and MANY want out.

2) "If Tom Bradley is the next head coach, the real coaches will leave in about 30 seconds"...this is utter BS in my opinion...he is one of the real coaches. Now, I want a HC from outside of the program, but to consider him one of the problem coaches is a flat out joke. What it does show me is that whatever family member said this has enough spite for Scrap that the turmoil inside the Staff must be off the charts.

3) Recruiting wise was an absolute disaster this offseason. Vandy, Scrap and LJ ALL could have landed some solid recruits (outside of their respective regions) but were shut down...in the way that Chief described. Folks...it's that bad. Recruiting could've been decent this year...right now...calling it a disaster is too optimistic.

4) It was REAL bad after the scUM game away during the season that scUM lost to App St. We almost had a full blown mutiny, but there was enough leadership on both O and D to have prevented it from happening. i) Paterno changed the game plan 100% literally hours before the game. ii) Joe wanted to insert DC, but Jay called it off and Joe relented. iii) After AM imploded, Scrap went up to him to give him some encouragement and AM told him to FOFF and worry about himself. AM was not disciplined one iota due to Jay's influence. Fast forward to today...the team doesn't even have a fraction of the leadership of that team...hence the implosion.

Stay tuned...
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you guys cheered when he wasn't coaching but still getting credit for the all time wins record. now you're upset?
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One of those was my reply. :evil:
 
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Even journalists have pitchforks and torches:
Penn State football fans should prepare for a return to the Dark Ages

We have here an offense that isn't very talented and doesn't utilize the talent it has. And a defense completely shot to hell by injuries and suspensions that wasn't all that great by Penn State standards to begin with.

And we have six more weeks to go. In this case, just to endure. On deck after the bye: six different offenses ? yes, even Minnesota ? capable of strafing this crippled resistance.


Oh yeah, we have four verbal commitments in October for a recruiting class that's desperately needed to turn things around. And a staff that just looks discouraged and tired and sapped of energy. That's sort of the way the players look, too.
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I guess we're the only ones who notice that the Lions are only good for two year spurts every six years or so...
 
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