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Lantern

Students puzzled about drinking arrests

Chelsea Whitman-Rush
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Media Credit: Shaheen Samavati

Students arrested for underage drinking on Oct. 7 say they were denied their legal rights, stripped searched and verbally abused by police.

Undercover police, in conjunction with the Stop Teenage Opportunity to Purchase (STOP) program, arrested at least 22 tailgating students before and during the Ohio State football game against Bowling Green.

"They never read us our rights," said Jason Sabo, 20, a sophomore in business who was arrested that Saturday. "We were handcuffed and taken away."

"We even asked the officer repeatedly to read our rights," said Jordanne Skocik, 20, a junior in zoology.

Rick Amweg, assistant chief of police for the Ohio State University Police Department, said the officers involved in the arrests were from "STOP," a program designed to prevent underage drinking, which is paid for by federal grants and administered by the Franklin County Sheriff's Office.

Amweg said the arrests made for underage drinking "classify as standard arrests" and are considered "first-degree misdemeanors, analogues with theft, assault and domestic violence.

"In any arrest, there is a process."

Students say although they understand the program's aim, the officers went too far.

"If you call us children and say we're underage and not able to drink, why do you treat us like adult felons?" asked Skocik.

Skocik, who sent OSU President Karen A. Holbrook an e-mail the morning after her arrest, expressed disbelief over the situation.

"I think it's important that she is aware of how her students are being treated," Skocik said.

In her e-mail to Holbrook, Skocik wrote students "were cursed at, humiliated, and treated like animals. I have never in my life seen policemen and people of law act this way toward delinquent civilized young students. None of the students were intoxicated, most were 20 years of age, and were not giving the policemen any difficulties."

Holbrook responded immediately, informing Skocik she would share her letter and get back to her when she knew more.

"There is no situation where people deserve to be treated without respect," Holbrook said in her response, expressing her "most sincere sympathy for such a terrible experience."

Skocik has not heard from Holbrook since.

Amweg said a new procedure will be implemented soon, allowing students to be put through the system without having to go to the jailhouse.

"Beginning with the Minnesota game, Ohio State will have a remote booking system," he said. "What this means is everything we need to accomplish can be done at this facility."

Amweg said the facility will be set up near campus, probably near Tuttle Park Place and Lane Avenue.

Sabo said he felt the officers were constantly playing "mind games" with the students. At one point, an officer told Sabo he would not be leaving until Monday morning because it was the weekend and they couldn't release him.

"The discourse that the officers had in the jail was incredible," Skocik said. "We were called the OSU cheerleaders over and over. F--k was used every other word."

"If you look at the front page of the Franklin County Sheriff's (Office) Web site, it says 'We try to treat everyone with respect.' Well, that doesn't happen," she said.

Alexis Palmer, a senior in interior design, said this situation is similar to what she experienced two years ago, while partying with some friends on Lane Avenue. She was arrested for underage drinking and Palmer said her hands were zip-tied as she sat in the paddy wagon, waiting to be taken to the Franklin County Jail.

"They didn't breathalyze us or anything," Palmer said. "One girl didn't get a phone call and she kept asking. The cop told her that she didn't deserve that right."

Palmer said this wasn't the only case of unfair treatment.

"One of the girls in the paddy wagon really had to go to the bathroom," she said. "(The police) told her the only way she was going to go to the bathroom was to pee on herself."

With no other choice, Palmer said the girl urinated on herself.

Palmer said the treatment worsened when they reached the jail. "They called us b----hes and whores. They said, 'look at these bitches coming in from Ohio State.' They were horrible."

Skocik noted other issues with the process. She said even though her $74 bail was paid almost six hours prior to her release, the statement she received indicated it hadn't been paid until 9 p.m.

Sabo also expressed his annoyance with the amount of time he spent in custody.

He said after his arrest, he sat on the curb at Tuttle and Lane for five and a half hours while the officers processed paperwork.

"I spent over 13 hours in custody," Sabo said. "That doesn't seem like due process to me."
 
Lantern

Hypocritical policies

Although The Lantern believes the students arrested during and before the Bowling Green v. Ohio State football game on Oct. 7 were suspected of breaking the law and should not have received special treatment, we are also disappointed to hear about the standard procedures that were applied to them.

If what students told The Lantern is true, in some cases police officers denied reading students their rights or granting them a phone call. Students also complained about verbal abuse and cruelty from police.

It appears that all of this was in the name of scaring students from being too rowdy when Michigan rolls around.

We think it was not worth it.

It was bold of President Karen Holbrook to send a letter to one of the students sympathizing with and apologizing for her bad encounter with police.

But we think it was a mistake to do so without making an effort to do something to stop it from happening again.

OSU and other universities work with an organization called Stop Teenage Opportunity to Purchase, to cut down on underage drinking on their campuses.

STOP is a county-wide law enforcement collaborative project that works with 26 agencies to try to reduce underage drinking.

We call on OSU administrators to end its cooperation with STOP until it and its affiliated law enforcement agencies can show they are treating those arrested lawfully and in a professional manner.

A separate but equally important issue is the university is sending its student body mixed messages when it comes to underage drinking.

Every day underage students drink in bars, at parties, on porches - even in dorm rooms - with no consequence. It seems that administrators, and even parents, expect students to be drinking.

But not at a football game, where inebriated post-game actions can end up on the evening news.

If university officials really believe underage drinking on campus is a problem, arresting a few students at random seems like a pretty irresponsible way to deal with it.

When practically everyone has broken a law, isn't that a sign that maybe there needs to be a change in the law?

Instead, we have a law that is, for the most part, not enforced.

And then, a few unlucky kids get put through hell to make some kind of point. Even though those students probably weren't the first ones to be degraded by the police, they shouldn't have been put in that situation. Especially if the concern with the whole initiative is the welfare of young people.

In reality, that incident isn't going to inspire students to drink less. Instead, they're just going to take their party from their porch into their living room, which is great because if nobody sees it than no one can criticize the university for it.
 
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osugrad21;634965; said:
Lantern

Hypocritical policies

Although The Lantern believes the students arrested during and before the Bowling Green v. Ohio State football game on Oct. 7 were suspected of breaking the law and should not have received special treatment, we are also disappointed to hear about the standard procedures that were applied to them.

If what students told The Lantern is true, in some cases police officers denied reading students their rights or granting them a phone call. Students also complained about verbal abuse and cruelty from police.

It appears that all of this was in the name of scaring students from being too rowdy when Michigan rolls around.

We think it was not worth it.

It was bold of President Karen Holbrook to send a letter to one of the students sympathizing with and apologizing for her bad encounter with police.

But we think it was a mistake to do so without making an effort to do something to stop it from happening again.

OSU and other universities work with an organization called Stop Teenage Opportunity to Purchase, to cut down on underage drinking on their campuses.

STOP is a county-wide law enforcement collaborative project that works with 26 agencies to try to reduce underage drinking.

We call on OSU administrators to end its cooperation with STOP until it and its affiliated law enforcement agencies can show they are treating those arrested lawfully and in a professional manner.

A separate but equally important issue is the university is sending its student body mixed messages when it comes to underage drinking.

Every day underage students drink in bars, at parties, on porches - even in dorm rooms - with no consequence. It seems that administrators, and even parents, expect students to be drinking.

But not at a football game, where inebriated post-game actions can end up on the evening news.

If university officials really believe underage drinking on campus is a problem, arresting a few students at random seems like a pretty irresponsible way to deal with it.

When practically everyone has broken a law, isn't that a sign that maybe there needs to be a change in the law?

Instead, we have a law that is, for the most part, not enforced.

And then, a few unlucky kids get put through hell to make some kind of point. Even though those students probably weren't the first ones to be degraded by the police, they shouldn't have been put in that situation. Especially if the concern with the whole initiative is the welfare of young people.

In reality, that incident isn't going to inspire students to drink less. Instead, they're just going to take their party from their porch into their living room, which is great because if nobody sees it than no one can criticize the university for it.

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The years may roll and the times may change, but The Lantern continues to be an embarrassment. What a horrible editorial.

When you have the university paper sticking up for drunken idiots, no wonder this university has the reputation it has.
 
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So, according to the editorial, because they can't catch every underage drinker on campus, none should be punished.

I think that policy shoould be in effect for everything. Speeding, possession, murder...

"Sorry officer, you haven't caught every murderer out there, why are you harassing me?"
 
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osugrad21;634959; said:
"They never read us our rights," said Jason Sabo, 20, a sophomore in business who was arrested that Saturday. "We were handcuffed and taken away."

"We even asked the officer repeatedly to read our rights," said Jordanne Skocik, 20, a junior in zoology.

Shut up you idiot! Don't play that card until you have your day in court. Sheesh.



Palmer said the treatment worsened when they reached the jail. "They called us b----hes and whores. They said, 'look at these bitches coming in from Ohio State.' They were horrible."

The cops must have been BG alums. :)
 
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They did not have to be read their rights if they weren't asked any incriminating questions. Also, a breath test is not required or standard practice for underage consumption, unless the person was driving.

Hey, most of use drank underage. If you get caught, face the music and quit being a little pussy.

Oh, and fuck you Karen...you don't need to apologize for your police department arresting people who broke the law. For someone who looks like you should have nuts, you sure don't show any.
 
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the dispatch article last week referred to how the kids were arrested, stripped and cavity searched and then place in cells with rapists and murders. i think the issue at large is one of two things. the first being the perceived unequal treatment, "standard" policy around columbus is to issue a citation and take the kids home, not to lock them up with hardened criminals. add that to the fact the dispatch article mentioned that multiple of the arrests occured once this task force/cpd entered a private residence without permission, the girl in the article was on her porch and cited another "walk in" arrest. saftey is one thing, but i know how i would feel if my local law enforcement walked into my house citing saftey purposes. the second is the issue the other paper touched on a few weeks ago. one of the campus bars was raided by some police/liqour agency enforcement group/task force and everyone there was helf for 90 minutes to two hours. it seems to be a rippling effect that is grwoing and the kids are getting feed up with it. as some well over legal age i know how i would feel if i was held for a substainal time, and i think everyone else would be more than upset if they were held for 90 minutes for doing nothing wrong. a school the size of theosu should have a system in place with cordination with the the city to handle deal with and process kids who are in violation of the law. personally i think they blew a major oppurtunity to have a joint substation at high and 15th, cpd and osupd could have processed and held processed those who werent seen as major issues (the not spring break drunk kids).

this is an issue that is running deeper and deeper. the problems arent the kids having a few beers on a porch or yard before the game, but the drunks, whether they be 18 or 70. and in all honesty many of the mature "adult" crowd are as bad or worse to me than the kids...
 
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