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Tuesday Question on CFN.com

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Pete Fiutak
Q: The most overrated team going into 2005 is ...

A: From what I've read in early copies of several preseason publications and from various outside sources I've been talking to, you'd think the 2005 Michigan Wolverines were on the verge of winning the Super Bowl and not just the Rose Bowl.

Oh sure, Michigan will be in the mix for the BCS again. If you want to argue that Michigan might end up winning the Big Ten title with no Purdue on the slate and the season ending showdown with Ohio State in Ann Arbor, fine. But I'm not all that sold that this is the be-all-end-all team that many will be making it out to be over the next few months.

First of all, I'll believe it when I see if from the receiving corps without Braylon Edwards. Jason Avant is fantastic, but he's not Edwards. Steve Breaston could be the next Desmond Howard, but he has been a next-level kick returner so far, not a receiver. Will Chad Henne and Mike Hart be better than last year when they couldn't have possibly done more? No on Henne with no Edwards to throw to, and maybe on Hart. O.K., so both lines are tremendous and should carry the team far, but the defensive back seven should be worse than it was when we last saw Vince Young running through it.

So while I don't believe that this will be one of the five best teams in the nation, it should still win eight games without a problem beating Northern Illinois, Notre Dame, Eastern Michigan, at Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, at Northwestern and Indiana. At Michigan State, at Iowa and Ohio State are the three question marks, but winning two of three isn't asking for much. Can Michigan really be overrated and finish 10-1? Absolutely.

Richard Cirminiello
Q: The most overrated team going into 2005 is ...

A: For this exercise, let’s agree to define “overrated” as a team that’ll finish the season at least a few rungs below their pre-season ranking. That’s not to suggest they suck or should be relegated to Division I-AA. Just overrated. Plenty of pundits have begun selling Florida State as a Top 10 team, but I’m not buying. The ‘Noles are plenty good by ACC standards, but no closer to their glory days of perennial national contention and Top 5 finishes than they were last year. The 2004 edition limped unimpressively to the end of the regular season thanks largely to an impotent offense that won’t be much better this year. The defense figures to be terrific, and will keep every game competitive, but, boy, does that offense have major question marks. A starting quarterback failed to distinguish himself in the spring, local HMOs are in the red thanks to the offensive line and the receivers haven’t been this pedestrian since the Burt Reynolds era. All that can easily be overcome against the ACC’s second division, but against the likes of Miami, Virginia and Florida, the lack of offensive balance will haunt them. And here’s the real kicker: Conference rookie Boston College is good. Real good. Good enough to beat the ‘Noles in Chestnut Hill in one of those upsets-that-aren’t-really-upsets, and represent the Atlantic division in the league’s first-ever title game.

Offensive coordinator Jeff Bowden will continue to be pariah in and around Tallahassee, and Florida State will lose at least three games for the fifth straight year, moving another step further from the days when the rest of the ACC was their personal sparring partner. If failing to win the conference crown used to be taboo, failing to even win the division is going to be viewed as sacrilege in 2005.
John Harris
Q: The most overrated team going into 2005 is ...

A: In years past, it was almost easy to pinpoint the team in the top ten that was severely overrated. Michigan State was easy pickings in 2002. Last year, it was West Virginia and even Florida did a free fall out of the top ten. This year, it doesn’t seem that easy to find that one team that is the most overrated, but for sake of answering the question, I’ve got to say the Iowa Hawkeyes. Now, what bothers me so much about this is the fact that I think Drew Tate is magnificent and his receiving corps is strong. The linebackers Abdul Hodge and Chad Greenway are tremendous, but there are two big, gaping holes that worry me. One, the running game. The buzz coming out of spring camp is that the running game has come around and should be able to produce at least 100 yards a game, which they couldn’t do last year. If the run game can’t get it going, teams are eventually going to find a way to stop Tate, even if it means that they play eight DBs all game long. The other personnel worry that I have is that the defensive line that changed the course of many games over the past few years has left the building, if you will. If you look at teams that lost one entire line or the other the past few years, you’d find it was tough sledding. Take for instance Washington State and Will Derting. Derting was incredible in 2003, but with his entire DL gone for 2004, he and WSU struggled immensely. Georgia experienced the same situation after the George Foster/Matt Stinchcomb OL departed after 2002. The last thing that can happen to Hodge and Greenway is for them to be cut off from scraping to the ball by DL who are being blocked right into them on a consistent basis. And, although the Big Ten doesn’t have too many huge potholes, the Hawks do go to Ames (Iowa State), Columbus (Ohio State), West Lafayette (Purdue) and Madison (Wisconsin). They also have Michigan coming to Iowa City, so they get the Big Two, not catching a schedule break as they did in 2002, when they didn’t have to face Ohio State. Kirk Ferentz has done a whale of a job turning this program around, and in a way, I hope that I’m wrong, but I see a lot for Iowa to overcome this season to be thinking about the Rose Bowl.

Matthew Zemek
Q: The most overrated team going into 2005 is ...

A: When you go down a certain path as a writer, you can't turn back until events conclusively smack you in the face. So, until Ohio State proves to have reliable, dynamic, disciplined skill position performers on the offensive side of the ball, I'll be a skeptic.

And please, let's not ascribe an agenda to this of any kind. This is a football-only observation based on the realization that one studly Michigan game does not make Troy Smith a can't miss superstar this season. Sure, Smith could easily be a breakout player in 2005--it would not be a surprise if that turned out to be the case.

But what I'm sensing is that Troy Smith's superstardom is perceived nationally as something of a foregone conclusion, and I'm making the not-very-controversial statement that we simply need to let events play out first. It is indeed well within the realm of possibility for Ohio State's talent to mesh under a man with superior coaching credentials in Jim Tressel, one of the very best in his profession.

Here's the core element of my message to Buckeye fans who might be very upset (it's unnecessary on a whole host of levels, folks) at this answer:
it's actually a great credit to Ohio State teams of past years--and to blood-and-guts legends such as Craig Krenzel, who didn't have half the raw athletic prowess of a Troy Smith--to not anoint the Bucks as the Big 10 favorites, let alone a top-tier national contender. The very history of Ohio State football in the past 15 years under John Cooper and Coach Tressel offers a very clear mosaic, a very well-defined motif, in which talent did not easily or readily translate into championships. The 2002 titleists were not more talented than some of John Cooper's very best and most loaded teams. But the '02 Bucks won with discipline, character, resiliency, belief, and classic gridiron values that coaches try to instill into all their teams. I need to see these values re-emerge at Ohio State after some rocky seasons, and I darn sure need to see these values in Troy Smith before I join the rest of the nation in seeing Ohio State as the Big Ten fave and a national title contender. 2004 was a very disjointed season in Columbus.
Craig Krenzel was not the starting quarterback. See a connection, folks? To not be sold on the '05 Bucks is actually the smartest, most sane way to honor the career and memory of Krenzel and all those other giants who gave the Buckeye football program its finest hour since 1968. Let's see OSU develop and mature into a well-rounded championship team before it happens.
As it stands right now, Iowa and Michigan have the PROVEN players. OSU still has to prove itself. Yes, that could very easily happen, but it hasn't happened yet, and I just want to be sober and sensible in saying that this Big 10 season will not be an automatic Columbus Coronation. Let's keep the hype in check--ironically enough, doing that very thing is precisely what will increase the chances of Troy Smith playing smart, consistent ball throughout 2005. So in the end, the best response to all this from Columbus just might be: let our players do the talking.

Indeed. What a smart answer that would be, and if OSU makes its loud statement against Texas and everybody else, more power to them. It would be a nice story of redemption and resilience if the Buckeyes bounced back in 2005. But let's see Troy Smith mature first. Let's see a lot of offensive players prove themselves in ways that Chad Henne, Mike Hart and Drew Tate already have done through their work in 2004.
 
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i really can't argue with MZ... sure our D is loaded... sure the ST will be excellent...
but he has a very valid point: two games does not our Offense make...

on PAPER, we are absolutely loaded, but in all reality, right now we are going on POTENTIAL, and NOT a proven commidity on O...

i have very high hopes for this team, obviously, but right now Hope is all i have...
 
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I think the constant barrage of Ohio State fan responses to negativity is wearing down the writers. :) It look like Zemek wrote the whole piece thinking how he could prevent us from jumping down his throat - very, very funny.

I agree with all of choices. I have similar questions about all the teams. Of course, maybe these choices look good to me because these are the teams I concentrate my reading on (except Fl. St.-- and I just can't understand them as a top team to begin with given their recent past (though their defense was great last year).

I would add Florida in the "until proven" crowd, for that matter. And I just don't know enough about Louisville and others to rate them. . . I would like to read more about the Sooners for that matter, who looked awful in their spring game. I don't know much about their young guys and overratedness. . .
 
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His position is debatable of course, but he is basically copping out on the proven player points. The entire offensive scheme was morphed in the procession of the season...players like Ginn, Gonzo, and Smith were suddenly put in the position to make plays. On the other hand, TSUN and Iowa held the same schemes all year...

Therefore, one could argue that Henne was the beneficiary of having a superb college receiver like BEdwards...and Hart was lucky to have that passing game to open up his seams. As for Iowa, Tate proved himself...but who else? They had RB by committee and lost some studs on that DL...

Its all about the perception...however, the guy presented a logical argument in a decent fashion. I can respect his opinion, but I don't have to agree.
 
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I'm about tired of the idea that since 2002, the only way Ohio State can win a national championship is with a mistake free QB, awesome defense, and one stud RB. Apparently miami and USC are allowed to win with offensive fire power, but Ohio State can't win unless they have a Krenzel clone and MoC II.

People are retarded.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I'm about tired of the idea that since 2002, the only way Ohio State can win a national championship is with a mistake free QB, awesome defense, and one stud RB. Apparently miami and USC are allowed to win with offensive fire power, but Ohio State can't win unless they have a Krenzel clone and MoC II.

People are retarded.

I think that the sportswriters are fine with us winning with a stud quarterback (or whatever). However, with Ohio State, sportswriters are going to take a "believe it when we see it" approach to seeing if we have one.

While Troy Smith is "unproven" at Ohio State, if he was the Quarterback at Miami or Florida he would be "the anointed one."

I guess what I am saying is that the sportswriters are fine with the concept of us winning in any style, however we only get the benefit of the doubt on "unproven" players if they match our current stereotype.
 
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It's obvious from this article that Ohio State fans have developed a reputation as having a quick trigger (e mail) finger :)


I can't say that I disagree with his assessment. There's no reason for this not to be the national perception. Ohio State fans are very buoyed by the last two games of last season. They saw points being scored and a defense that all of a sudden was reacting, not thinking.

But those two games are not enough to change the national perception of Ohio State's offense. This is an offense that was stagnant as best.

I'm as hopeful as the next Buckeye fan that the momentum from the last two games of this past season carry over into next season. But I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't agree with all the hype about Texas and Iowa either.
 
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I hate to dog on CFN. They are IMO one of the few responsible sports information sites out there right now. That being said I don't like the trend of the Big Ten is down. Three out of the four, picked the Big 3 from our conference, as the Overrated crowd. The truth is you can almost take Zemek's answer about OSU and subplant Florida in there and never be able to tell. Florida has just as many question marks as us. But I won't get spun up about it because it's early and we do need to answer some questions. I'll wait till after the Texas game to take aim at the Buckeye doubters.
 
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I don't honestly think he is off base with his comments. The fact that most all of tOSU's offensive talent is yet unproven it true for the most part (the fact that similar statements could be made of most teams across the country notwithstanding). Considering the tumultuous off season tOSU has had, I think the best thing for our fans and team to do is "just go play football" and let the play speak for the team.
 
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I think Zemek makes a decent argument, but aside Pittman, our skill players are proven. Sure Smith blew up after the scUM game, but he had been playing quite well for the most part up until that point. He made few mistakes passing in the pocket or on the run, throws ropes generally on point and has done a fine job of not taking off too early which is what a lot of tOSU fans were worried about with an athletic QB. The problem with people like Zemek is is that they didn't pay attention to Smith until the scUM game, so this is how they react to our being excited about his potential. Our WRs are a top group in the nation...without argument, so he can put a sock in it there. Hamby is a quality TE & our line has no where to go but up. He went about his argument with class and effort, but I think he's wrong...then again, it's all opinion anyways. :)
 
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I don't have any issue with that. I have brought up many of the points listed there too, particularly about whether Troy Smith is really as good as he played against Michigan, or really as bad (turnover prone/decision making) as he played against Purdue, or whether the 'real' Troy is somewhere in between.

I guess what I have a really hard time understanding is the notion that bringing a solid finish to an 8-4 year with as many key losses as the Buckeyes suffered is somehow a disappointment. If Cooper had that exact same team with so few returning starters with quality experience to count on one hand, they would've gone 6-6, because they would've certainly gotten trounced by UM and lost to whomever in the Motor City Bowl too.

The 2004 Bucks were embarrassed at Iowa and really didn't play that much better against Wisconsin, though the score wasn't as lopsided with the punt return and what we would learn later was really an overachieving Wisconsin team to begin with.

The Purdue and Northwestern losses were the most difficult to swallow, because they could've won either and wound up 10-2. The turnovers killed them at Purdue, and I refuse to believe there is any shame in the loss at NU. The NU game was one that I was actually looking at in the summer of 2004 with some concern. For all the haters who think losing to NU makes the program a farce, I'd point out a few statistics:
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RUSHING Team Cl G Att Yds Avg TD Yds/G
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Hart, Michael.. MICH FR 12 282 1455 5.2 9 121.2
Herron, Noah... NU SR 12 274 1381 5.0 14 115.1
Maroney, L..... MINN SO 12 217 1348 6.2 12 112.3
Barber III, M.. MINN JR 12 231 1269 5.5 11 105.8

PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------
Orton, Kyle.... PUR SR 11 389 236 5 60.7 3090 31 280.9
Basanez, Brett. NU JR 12 460 247 9 53.7 2838 12 236.5
Tate, Drew..... IOWA SO 12 375 233 14 62.1 2786 20 232.2
Henne, Chad.... MICH FR 12 399 240 12 60.2 2743 25 228.6

TOTAL OFFENSE Team Cl G Rush Pass Plays Total Yds/G
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Orton, Kyle.... PUR SR 11 112 3090 469 3202 291.1
Basanez, Brett. NU JR 12 258 2838 543 3096 258.0
Stanton, Drew.. MSU SO 10 687 1601 316 2288 228.8
Tate, Drew..... IOWA SO 12 -76 2786 464 2710 225.8
</pre>
Those stats are Big-10 conference leaders in rushing, passing, and total offense at the conclusion of the 2004 season, post bowls. Northwestern's Herron and Basanez had previously lead all three categories at the conclusion of the regular season, but NU didn't go on to a bowl and get the opportunity to pad just 250 yards between the two players to finish 1st in all three major offensive categories. The best tandem in the Big-10 was not, in fact, Henne and Hart, but Basanez and Herron. There is no shame in losing to that team on the road at night by an OT TD.

Christ, after 35 years of dominating NU, they were bound to win one eventually in the course of a fluke, let alone actually facing them in that one match-up every 10 years where NU has fielded a better, more experienced team at that point in the season.
 
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