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ttun Shenanigans and Arguments (2017 official thread)

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3 assistants make over 1 mil per year.....

Still could not beat Ohio State (in a "rebuilding year") with a extremely senior loaded team.....or win the division/conference......or win their new years 6 game against a pretty pedestrian FSU squad.

:tibor:
 
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Maybe winning a few recruiting battles today will take the sting out of losing 3 of their last 4 football games.
I see they got a 5* DT, #2 at his position per 247, so that's big. But, according to their 247 page, they still have seven commits unsigned as of right now (just after midnight EST, Feb 2)...that's out of a total of 30 commits. I wonder if Hairball even sent these kids an LOI to sign.
 
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Just for the record now that the classes are official;

Brady Hoke was hired Jan, 2011 so the class of '11 wasn't fully his. His first 2 class were:
2012: 6th nationally avg per was .9063
2013: 4th/.9103

Jimmy was hired Dec '14 so the '15 class wasn't fully his. His first 2 classes were:
2016: 6th/.8986
2017: 5th/.9093

Major Bowl wins
Hoke 1 Jimmy 0

Wins in The Game
Hoke 1
Jimmy 0

Hoke > Jimmy
 
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Just for the record now that the classes are official;

Brady Hoke was hired Jan, 2011 so the class of '11 wasn't fully his. His first 2 class were:
2012: 6th nationally avg per was .9063
2013: 4th/.9103

Jimmy was hired Dec '14 so the '15 class wasn't fully his. His first 2 classes were:
2016: 6th/.8986
2017: 5th/.9093

Major Bowl wins
Hoke 1 Jimmy 0

Wins in The Game
Hoke 1
Jimmy 0

Hoke > Jimmy
Do you think that this information will make a bit of difference to a fan base with such a robust cache of stupid?
 
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Do you think that this information will make a bit of difference to a fan base with such a robust cache of stupid?
But I think the better question is which coach do you think would get Michigan back into the national spotlight? Hoke suffered from the same thing that I believe haunted Cooper: the other guy always had a better QB. Was Hairball lucky to land Rudedick his first year? Yeah, but he got a lot of service out of a guy who wouldn't have started at Iowa unless there were injuries and he now has a serviceable QB for the next two years. I don't know that Hoke would have a) gotten Rudedick, or b) been able to coach the kid up by the end of the season.
 
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But I think the better question is which coach do you think would get Michigan back into the national spotlight? Hoke suffered from the same thing that I believe haunted Cooper: the other guy always had a better QB. Was Hairball lucky to land Rudedick his first year? Yeah, but he got a lot of service out of a guy who wouldn't have started at Iowa unless there were injuries and he now has a serviceable QB for the next two years. I don't know that Hoke would have a) gotten Rudedick, or b) been able to coach the kid up by the end of the season.
He would have clapped a lot. But, that's about it.
 
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But I think the better question is which coach do you think would get Michigan back into the national spotlight? Hoke suffered from the same thing that I believe haunted Cooper: the other guy always had a better QB. Was Hairball lucky to land Rudedick his first year? Yeah, but he got a lot of service out of a guy who wouldn't have started at Iowa unless there were injuries and he now has a serviceable QB for the next two years. I don't know that Hoke would have a) gotten Rudedick, or b) been able to coach the kid up by the end of the season.

Hoke did more with Rich Rod's slot dots and Devin Gardner than Jimmy has done with guys who actually fit his system and Jake Ruddock.

No matter how much people want to believe the hype of Jim Harbaugh, those are the facts.
 
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Hoke did more with Rich Rod's slot dots and Devin Gardner than Jimmy has done with guys who actually fit his system and Jake Ruddock.

No matter how much people want to believe the hype of Jim Harbaugh, those are the facts.
Well, clapper never put 77 on Rutgers.

On the other hand, clapper also never lost The Game 42-13

It's hard to wade through all the fail.
 
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Well, clapper never put 77 on Rutgers.

On the other hand, clapper also never lost The Game 42-13

It's hard to wade through all the fail.

I don't think one can underestimate the difference in the situation they stepped into.

RichRod left the Clapper a cupboard full of slot dots the majority of which never received OSU caliber offers

RainMan inherited guys that fit his system and, by and large, had other big time offers.

Going by what you can measure and comparing their first two years on the job, Hoke > Harbaugh....it's all hype
 
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