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ttun basketball (Juwan out, Dusty May in)

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the difficulty with comparing howard to mullins, avery, ewing, etc. is that howard is inheriting a (much) better situation than the others. he's not rebuilding a program. he's not overcoming a scandal. furthermore, the failure rate among college coaches is already high. perhaps a deeper dive in statistics would find that ex-nba guys fail at a rate similar to non-nba coaches. or maybe at a lower rate. or maybe at a higher rate. i really don't know.

it's just hard for me to look at a rather small group of ex-nba guys and assume there is anything predictive, especially when failure and middling performances are more common than successes for the coaching profession as a whole. what i absolutely would agree with, though, is that nba experience does not, in and of itself, portend college success. that much is for darn sure.

my only position right now is this: we'll see. i'm not expecting that howard will match or exceed beilein's success, but little else would surprise me.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
the difficulty with comparing howard to mullins, avery, ewing, etc. is that howard is inheriting a (much) better situation than the others. he's not rebuilding a program. he's not overcoming a scandal. furthermore, the failure rate among college coaches is already high. perhaps a deeper dive in statistics would find that ex-nba guys fail at a rate similar to non-nba coaches. or maybe at a lower rate. or maybe at a higher rate. i really don't know.

it's just hard for me to look at a rather small group of ex-nba guys and assume there is anything predictive, especially when failure and middling performances are more common than successes for the coaching profession as a whole. what i absolutely would agree with, though, is that nba experience does not, in and of itself, portend college success. that much is for darn sure.

my only position right now is this: we'll see. i'm not expecting that howard will match or exceed beilein's success, but little else would surprise me.
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I feel the same, it's a complete unknown. And for a program that fancies itself a top 15 or 20 job, hiring an unknown when your best coach ever left your program in a very good spot is a failure up front. Now, if Howard turns out to be the kind of coach that regularly gets them to the Sweet 16 or beyond, obviously that changes in hindsight. But this is like Matta bolting after 2012 or 2013 and tOSU hiring a total wildcard like Chris Jent.

Beilein had a system that he developed over decades as a HC at multiple levels that allowed him to identify and maximize the productivity of under-the-radar kids and ride them to some pretty deep tournament runs...even if they took a healthy dose of luck. Howard is an unknown as an X's and O's guy, and as a 5 year nba assistant, he most certainly doesn't have a system. Unless he proves to be a wiz at recruiting, this has REALLY high bust potential. IMO, significantly higher that the chance that he's gonna turn into a top 3 or 4 coach in the B1G. Valenti nails it.
 
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Hiring Juwan Howard is a huge gamble for UM. Maybe he will be great, but the odds are that great success won't be sustainable long-term. Obviously his assistant coaches are going to be vital and will play an immense role in determining his longevity. The fact that he is at UM gives him a leg up on the majority of the other former NBA players-turned college coaches. I do not see making a splash hire worth the high risk of failure.
 
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SCUM gives a near complete rebuilding job to a person with ZERO HC experience at a supposedly Top 20 basketball school?

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On my knees thanking Jesus right now for Holtmann.
 
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If there's anything more over inflated by a fanbase than being a "Michigan Man", it's the Fab 5. Do their own fans even remember that they didn't win anything? This wasn't the Dream Team. It's nothing like what Duke and Kentucky have been putting together. They wore black socks and called extra time outs. That's it.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I'm gonna start talking about the recruiting classes of the 90s that gave us David Boston or Eddie George as once in a millennium achievements. Sure they never won titles.....but they wore big shoulder pads!

Actually.....that is cooler than anything the Fab 5 did. Fuck them.
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I saw some ESPiN stuff about this on the tv over the bar at lunch. No sound but plenty of grainy video's of the fab 5 and how this might help heal some bad blood within the fab 5.

Not a lot of discussion, by the looks of it, about the 2019-20 tsun basketball program.
 
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