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The more I think about this, the more I convice myself that Mike Leach probably belongs here. Leach (and Hal Mumme) molded Kentucky into a force in the late 90s, setting over 100 school and 40+ SEC records and making Couch a top draft pick. Oklahoma did a complete u-turn worst to first in his one year there in 1999, and the Sooners are still reaping the benefits of the offense he jump started with his one year mentoring Heupel. Since arriving at Texas Tech his teams have smashed every record imaginable and gone to five straight bowl games. Slowly, the recruiting classes are getting better, the running game just might explode this season with Taurean Henderson in the backfield, and the talent on the lines and the defense is gradually making strides (sacks allowed has been cut almost in half since 2002).

Meh, maybe Leach falls somewhere in the Top 11-20 range, but if guys like Spurrier, Hawkins, and Tedford are getting a sniff of the Top 10, Leach deserves at least an honorable mention. That 'air-raid' Kentucky team, lead by Tim Couch of all people (!), hung 800 yards on Louisville once. If that's not 'fun-n-gun,' I don't know what is.

That Leach has duplicated this success three times now, and most recently in Lubbock of all places, which is probably lucky to get to pick what's left over of the players Texas, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma don't want, is a statement.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Pride: i hope you didn't take my comments personally, because they weren't...

as for 'not exactly bottom of the barrel,' seriously, you can't do much worse than 1-10... Iowa flat out SUCKED BALLS when he took over... he has taken a terrible team to a higher stratus than at any time in it's long history without the blue chip talent of the perrenial powers... i think he's a fucking amazing coach, but i guess that's JMHO...

the thing that i find most amusing is that you included Larry Coker in your top ten... if you are telling me that Coker would do a similar job in Iowa City than he's doing in Coral Gables, then i don't even know how to respond... Miami consistently has top 5 talent, and all Coker has done is lose one more game each year than he did the year before... 12-0, 12-1, 11-2, 9-3... there's no way that he would replicate 3 straight top 8 finishes in Iowa if he can barely even do that in Miami... all Coker needs to do is not fuck things up, and the Canes will finish in the top 10 each year on talent alone... you simply cannot say the same for the Hawkeyes...
Well its more of Ferentz year of going 1-10, IMO, that hurts his record. As for Coker, I personally look at his track record of the last four years and see that in Miami he has went 44-6. In those victories Coker led his Hurricanes to two consecutive NC Title Game appearances (2001-02), won a National Title, won 3 consecutive Big East Championship Titles (2001-02-03), has out scored his opponents (total points) by at least 165 points each year (395 pts. his first year), has kept the rectruiting level above par and has beaten Florida St. & Florida a combined 7 times (in 4 years = everytime he played the teams). Do I think he has turned around the program? He11 no, lol. The program has been very good through the 90s and very good going into his tenure. Do I think hes a consistant coach however? Yes, his years at Miami mirror in Tressels to the facts that he took over a well known powerhouse football program and kept the traditions going at a higher level than most schools in the country. I just feel that if Tressel gets the credit for it, Coker might as well to. Im sure there are objections that Tressel took over a 6-6 Cooper squad, but at the time OSU had the talent, and more so needed the right coaching directions.

Its VERY difficult to mix and match coaches that have improved teams, taken over high powered teams, won more games, won more titles, anjd/or have just been steady all in the same Top 10. Every coach in my Top 10 has had its own circumstances going into their schools and have different reasons for being there - case in point = Cooker and Ferentz.
 
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fair enough... i can totally see your point of view...i guess it's subjective... and i don't want people to think that i'm slamming Coker as a head coach-- he's obviously pretty good... i just wonder sometimes what these super high profile guys would do if they had to basically start from the ground up...

take Nick Saban for example... he is clearly a damn good coach, but i wonder how much i should actually credit him for basically one good season at Mich State... and concerning LSU, when you consider the fact that Louisiana and Mississippi produce the most NFL talent per capita in the U.S., is it really all about coaching, or is it about signing unbelieveable talent? Les Miles has walked into an awesome situation down in Baton Rouge, and he better get some pretty good results, or my opinion of him will drop pretty fast... the Tigers are LOADED with talent at the skill positions... i dunno... like i said, subjective...

awesome sig, BTW...
 
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These things are hugely cyclical. Over the past 10 years several coaches would have made the list based on their team's success at about the time the poll would have come out. Think the past few years and I bet Mike Belotti from Oregon, Ty Willingham (formerly of ND), Bobby Bowden, Ralph Friegden (Maryland) Dennis Franchionne (Formerly of Alabama, now Texas A&M) etc. would have made the list some time or another. Sorry for butching some of the coaches' names.
 
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These lists are always easy to analyze and criticize. I tried to put together a top ten, but as soon as I would justify one coach for a spot, i would realize that i was a hyprcrit against a different coach for the same point i was making.

Just my opinion on some of the discussed coaches:

Petey: he's going for three in a row, period. We'll see how the loss of Chow affects USC;s results, but for now, he deserves a spot.

Tressel: Has won how many NC's as a coach? Exactly. He's done it at different levels and with different style teams. The special teams scrimmage is now used by other programs and he's starting his own legacy coaching tree...

Ferentz: Has turned around a program, great eye for talent. I think he needs another strong year and possibly another BCS Bowl appearance before he's considered a top 5 coach.

Mack Brown: what has he done? He's got the talent and is yet to beat his rival. Until then, not an elite coach. I know he's won and has made it to BCS Bowl games, but he has not beat his rival.

Spurrier: I dont like the guy, but he had a decent run at Duke (by Duke standards), and he turned around a FLorida program that was struggling. If he never left, then he would defintely be a top 5 coach. His ego has gotten the best of him yet again. If he turns the SC program around, then he's back in the Top 5.

Stoops: Has to be considered a top 5 coach. His teams are always at the top. He has the respect of his players and he recruits well. He has a NC and has played for more.

Petrino: Love the guy and how he coaches. If his team finsihes top ten this season, i think he should be considered a top ten coach.

Bowden/Paterno: they are in a different class and i have no right to ever question or analyze them.
 
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Just one little correction...


stagtennis said:
These lists are always easy to analyze and criticize. I tried to put together a top ten, but as soon as I would justify one coach for a spot, i would realize that i was a hyprcrit against a different coach for the same point i was making.

Just my opinion on some of the discussed coaches:



Mack Brown: what has he done? He's got the talent and is yet to beat his rival. Until then, not an elite coach. I know he's won and has made it to BCS Bowl [strike]games[/strike](don't you mean "GAME"?), but he has not beat his rival.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Jeff Tedford?
I think he merits top-10 consideration.

Cal in 2001, before Tedford: 1-10
Since then, with Tedford: 7-5, 8-6 (with win over USC), 10-2

gregorylee said:
Just one little correction...
How about another little correction

Mack Brown: what has he done? He's got the talent and is yet to beat his rival. Until then, not an elite coach. I know he's won and has made it to BCS Bowl <STRIKE>games</STRIKE>(don't you mean "GAME"?), but he has not beat his rival (in the last 5 years)
He beat the Sooners in 98 and 99, which was Stoops' first year.
 
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NFBuck said:
This weeks Sporting News has an article ranking college footballs top coaches nationally and by conference. JT came in 6th nationally. Conference-wise coaches are rated on a scale of 1-5. In the Big 10, both JT and Ferentz were given fives, LLLoyd was given a four along with Alverez and Tiller, and poor old JoePa has slipped to a 3.... Here's the national top 10:
1. Pete Carroll (Big Surprise)
2. Steve Spurrier (???)
3. Bob Stoops
4. Kirk Ferentz
5. Frank Beamer
6. Jim Tressel
7. Phil Fulmer
8. Mack Brown
9. Dan Hawkins (Boise St.)
10. Tom O'Brien (Boston College)
Was this list based on recent events (within 5 years)? If so Spurrier has no place on it.
Was this list based on past events, (anytime in the past 15 years, say) like winning a National Championship,competing for a Conference title, growing a program from giant killer into national prominence? If so, then with Spurrier taking a spot why not Bowden and JoePa - no matter how doo-lalley you might think eiher of them are these days. I do not agree with O'Brien at 10, Tedford, despite his QB pupils past woes in the Pros deserves the nod anyway. Either he is actually a better QB coach than anyone anywhere his pupils have gone (not beyond the bounds of possibility), or he gets more out these players than anyone else has, anywhere they have gone. The only negative interpretation is that he schools them in a "system" which does not translate well to the Pros - but, given this is a poll about COLLEGE COACHES - Tedford deserves his nod. So off with O'Brien & on with Tedford.
 
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