Tradition (Split from Boyd)

[billmac91]

Pot, meet kettle.

ACC fans think they had one of the best conferences in America last year. It's absurd, but how they think. No elite teams, but 8 teams in the 15-30 range.

Go visit an ACC board.

 

[BuckeyeFan 52]

Any program worth its weight in salt can sell positives about its university.

Worst comes to worst, and you tell a recruit they are what the school needs to get over the hump. How nice would that be to hear??

Dabo is supposed to be a great guy. Clemson is a big time university, although its considered a school going in the wrong direction. Its generally considered an SEC program in the ACC because of its rabid fans and gametime atmosphere.

And while we call Clemson a school with less history, going in the wrong direction, etc., their fanbase calls tOSU an overrated school in the Big 10, the worst BCS conference in NCAA.

A school can paint pretty much any picture they want. It's about selling that picture to a recruit.

I understand what you are saying, and you are correct on all points. But the facts are:

Ohio State National Championships: 1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002.......32 Conference Championships.......8 undefeated seasons

Clemson National Championships: 1981.....18 Conference Championships......3 undefeated seasons

I don't mean to be a huge homer here, and I don't believe that Clemson is a "poor" football program by any means, it certainly is not. Clemson is a good school, they have a great atmosphere on Saturday's during the season, and great fans who support the program.

Is the Big Ten down right now? Sure is, football is a cyclical sport. The Big Ten will improve with time, so will the Big East and the ACC.

I guess what I'm saying is, if Tahj and his family are looking at this process from both an academic and athletic standpoint, then Ohio State should stand just as good of a chance as Clemson or Oregon.

I hope we get him, I think he could do well in Jim Tressel's offense. If he decides to go elswhere, then the best of luck to him!

 

[billmac91]

I understand what you are saying, and you are correct on all points. But the facts are:

Ohio State National Championships: 1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002.......32 Conference Championships.......8 undefeated seasons

Clemson National Championships: 1981.....18 Conference Championships......3 undefeated seasons

I don't mean to be a huge homer here, and I don't believe that Clemson is a "poor" football program by any means, it certainly is not. Clemson is a good school, they have a great atmosphere on Saturday's during the season, and great fans who support the program.

Is the Big Ten down right now? Sure is, football is a cyclical sport. The Big Ten will improve with time, so will the Big East and the ACC.

I guess what I'm saying is, if Tahj and his family are looking at this process from both an academic and athletic standpoint, then Ohio State should stand just as good of a chance as Clemson or Oregon.

I hope we get him, I think he could do well in Jim Tressel's offense. If he decides to go elswhere, then the best of luck to him!

And I don't disagree. But you're making my point.

Ohio State can sell all of that, and hopefully Tajh takes it all in and makes it a part of his decesion.

But I guarantee Oregon and Clemson have both told Tajh he can become a better QB playing in the ACC and Pac-10 respectively vs. the Big 10. I'd also assume they have told him he can compete right away, vs. playing behind Terrelle Pryor for 3 years. I'm sure Clemson is playing on their weather vs. Oregon and tOSU.

When it comes down to it, you can see which school is best depending on what fanbase you align yourself with. I feel like tOSU is the best choice, and I could argue it all day.

In the end, I don't think our argument stands up to Clemson or Oregon. Personally, I think he ends up at Clemson.

 

[WiseBuck]

Guarantee?????

Nobody knows how the future can play out so its a mindless effort when it comes to playing time or its guarantee. Life is all about competition wherever you are. You get what you earn. Clemson and Oregon I'm sure are great places just like Ohio State. The big separations are OSU is an every year legitimate national championship (NC) contender and OSU provides more exposure on the biggest stage.

So it comes down to what Tajh Boyd wants and what is important to him. If he wants to be in the thick of it for NCs, then the only place would be OSU. Does he want the bigtime? Only time will tell.

 

[NFBuck]

So it comes down to what Tajh Boyd wants and what is important to him. If he wants to be in the thick of it for NCs, then the only place would be OSU. Does he want the bigtime? Only time will tell.

Oregon was in the thick of the NC race in 2007 until Dixon went down. They were there in 2001 as well. Clemson has been seen as a team with all the pieces, just unable to get over the hump. Saying tOSU is the only place he'll have a shot at a National Title is not necessarily true at all. Maybe Boyd wants to be the guy to help one of them get over that hump. It's understandable.

 

[briegg]

I think the biggest gap between tOSU and those schools through a recruit's eyes - is National Media exposure. Hopefully the coachs sell that aspect. I don't think kids care that much about National Championships that were won back in the 50's and 60's.

 

[TheIronColonel]

Look, I didn't mean to imply that Clemson and Oregon don't have decent football programs. I mean, they're not Syracuse and Duke by any means. But they're also schools that compete for a national title every 10-20 years, whereas your schools like OSU, Texas, Florida, USC, etc are noteworthy in years where they don't compete for a national title. If I were a recruit, and I'm not, that would be very appealing to me. Maybe it's just scarlet colored glasses, but I don't considered Oregon and Clemson to be one of the (roughly) dozen elite teams in the FBS.

Whichever school he chooses, he's going to do fine. Any time you can do something you love and get a free education you've done well.

 

[Oh8ch]

IMO we put a lot more emphasis on winning the NC than the average player does.

To be sure, for a top level athlete going to a program that is a viable candidate to compete for the NC would fall under the category of "necessary, but not sufficient". But given that a school can make a case that they are competitive many other factors could - and should - outweigh how likely that NC is to happen.

 

[buck e]

And while we call Clemson a school with less history, going in the wrong direction, etc., their fanbase calls tOSU an overrated school in the Big 10, the worst BCS conference in NCAA.

Whatever makes them feel better about themselves and their conference.

 

[BuckeyeFan 52]

And I don't disagree. But you're making my point.

Ohio State can sell all of that, and hopefully Tajh takes it all in and makes it a part of his decesion.

But I guarantee Oregon and Clemson have both told Tajh he can become a better QB playing in the ACC and Pac-10 respectively vs. the Big 10. I'd also assume they have told him he can compete right away, vs. playing behind Terrelle Pryor for 3 years. I'm sure Clemson is playing on their weather vs. Oregon and tOSU.

When it comes down to it, you can see which school is best depending on what fanbase you align yourself with. I feel like tOSU is the best choice, and I could argue it all day.

In the end, I don't think our argument stands up to Clemson or Oregon. Personally, I think he ends up at Clemson.

You're absolutely correct, there is no doubt in my mind that Oregon and Clemson have argued their point versus Ohio State in regards to the opportunities he may have as a QB in the ACC and Pac-10, they would be selling themselves short if they didn't.

Being an outsider looking in, and from a pure depth chart perspective, I agree that Clemson looks to be the best choice, especially if he is going to redshirt as a freshman. That's purely from a "football" perspective. When you look at the total package.....academics, athletic's, coaching, the overall college/athletic experience, history, tradition, NFL opportunities, even coaching opportunites in the future, Ohio State is right there with both schools. Terrell Pryor is always one play away from being done for the season, which opens up opportunites for guys like Bauserman and Boyd. Clearly, that rationale goes for Oregon and Clemson also.

Clearly, it's a personal decision between a young man who is looking at a great opportunity in his life and his family who wants to help him make the best decision for this future. There are simply too many unknowns for a kid like Tahj to make the most "educated" choice. He will only know 4 years from now whether it was the best choice or not.

I hope he is a Buckeye, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

 

[maysm412]

In reference to the comment regarding Clemson's lack of tradition:

I in no way am trying to convey this in a derogatory or condescending demeanor. Nevertheless, sometimes text fails to communicate as intended.

Obviously I would not expect a random Buckeye fan to know of the traditions that fill Clemson's Campus - just as I am not aware of tOSU's many traditions. However, Clemson is absolutely one of the most spirited universities in the nation. I feel confident in saying this as we were ranked as having the happiest students of any university. I could elaborate further on the many other rankings that Clemson earned in the Princeton Review's Best Colleges Edition, but I will leave that to the reader.

I have been to several SEC stadiums as well as ACC with Florida State being the only school that can even hold a candle to Howard's Rock/running down the hill *Quick Edit* I say this just because I think FSU's introduction is pretty neat */end edit*. I do not have the time nor the capacity a.t.m. (only got 2 hours of sleep last night) to try and list and explain the atmosphere at Clemson. However I will try to give very brief insight on Clemson's tradition; although it will fall so very short of bringing justice to the university's spirit.

In reviewing his visit, Tahj Boyd said "They are a big family". I'm quite sure he doesn't know the signifigance of what he said but it is something we hear quite a bit down here. It cannot be explained, only experienced.

"There is something in these hills that you and I can't define and others can't understand. A wave of warmth always surges through me when "outsiders" say, "I don't know what it is about you Clemson people, but your undying love for Clemson is admired by everyone I know." - Joe Sherman "Something In These Hills"

Try Googling this (^), even if its only for the broadening of ones own collegiate knowledge. The entire essay does a great job of capturing what we all seem to have such a hard time explaining.

Try looking at these as well. (Football Quotes)
Memorial Stadium, Clemson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hope this clears things up. I also hope that this is somewhat comprehendable as I really am quite sleep deprived.

Go Tigers!

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Obviously I would not expect a random Buckeye fan to know of the traditions that fill Clemson's Campus....

Actually, we do know quite a bit about Clemson, and we're all huge Scotty Cooper fans.

And we love your all-purple uniforms....

Greeat school, great location, great fans, very good program ... but it isn't Ohio State.

 

[osugrad21]

In reference to the comment regarding Clemson's lack of tradition:

I in no way am trying to convey this in a derogatory or condescending demeanor. Nevertheless, sometimes text fails to communicate as intended.

Obviously I would not expect a random Buckeye fan to know of the traditions that fill Clemson's Campus - just as I am not aware of tOSU's many traditions. However, Clemson is absolutely one of the most spirited universities in the nation. I feel confident in saying this as we were ranked as having the happiest students of any university. I could elaborate further on the many other rankings that Clemson earned in the Princeton Review's Best Colleges Edition, but I will leave that to the reader.

I have been to several SEC stadiums as well as ACC with Florida State being the only school that can even hold a candle to Howard's Rock/running down the hill *Quick Edit* I say this just because I think FSU's introduction is pretty neat */end edit*. I do not have the time nor the capacity a.t.m. (only got 2 hours of sleep last night) to try and list and explain the atmosphere at Clemson. However I will try to give very brief insight on Clemson's tradition; although it will fall so very short of bringing justice to the university's spirit.

In reviewing his visit, Tahj Boyd said "They are a big family". I'm quite sure he doesn't know the signifigance of what he said but it is something we hear quite a bit down here. It cannot be explained, only experienced.

"There is something in these hills that you and I can't define and others can't understand. A wave of warmth always surges through me when "outsiders" say, "I don't know what it is about you Clemson people, but your undying love for Clemson is admired by everyone I know." - Joe Sherman "Something In These Hills"

Try Googling this (^), even if its only for the broadening of ones own collegiate knowledge. The entire essay does a great job of capturing what we all seem to have such a hard time explaining.

Try looking at these as well. (Football Quotes)
Memorial Stadium, Clemson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hope this clears things up. I also hope that this is somewhat comprehendable as I really am quite sleep deprived.

Go Tigers!

+1

I've been to numerous stadiums in the south and of course countless Buckeye games...I will say that nothing compares to gameday in Columbus, but I would put Clemson's gameday as the closest thing I've seen. The Hill entrance is awesome...and the stadium is steep so the noise is fat out amazing. The fans are rabid, loud, and knowledgeable. Also, Clemson allows fans on the field after games which is a nice touch.

One area that separates the gameday experiences though is in the tailgating...Clemson has just as many tailgaters but they are so spread out. Shuttle buses run from the far locations, but there is no Hineygate or Riverwatch or Fawcett Center area. The Esso Club at Clemson is a cool scene but it is small and beyond packed on gamedays.

As for Dabo, I'm already on record here. He is one the best recruiters I've ever met and is just a great person overall. Kids would run through walls for him. He has assembled a solid staff in his short time and I believe he will do well in Clemson.

 

[maysm412]

Actually, we do know quite a bit about Clemson, and we're all huge Scotty Cooper fans.

And we love your all-purple uniforms....

Greeat school, great location, great fans, very good program ... but it isn't Ohio State.

I absolutely agree. I meant to mention that I was not implying that Clemson/Ohio State were the same or even try and compare Clemson to Ohio State. Apples and Oranges imo.

My intent was simply to inform those bucks who were uninformed.

I suppose it is also quite relative; IMO tailgating is second to none in Clemson but its also the school I pull for . Of course if I was a buckeye I would be singing a different tune. Either way, I hope Boyd follows in Spiller's footsteps and chooses whatever school is best for him... Not his parents - whichever school that may be.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Look, I didn't mean to imply that Clemson and Oregon don't have decent football programs. I mean, they're not Syracuse and Duke by any means. But they're also schools that compete for a national title every 10-20 years, whereas your schools like OSU, Texas, Florida, USC, etc are noteworthy in years where they don't compete for a national title. If I were a recruit, and I'm not, that would be very appealing to me. Maybe it's just scarlet colored glasses, but I don't considered Oregon and Clemson to be one of the (roughly) dozen elite teams in the FBS.

Whichever school he chooses, he's going to do fine. Any time you can do something you love and get a free education you've done well.

now that this was split, I'm going to have to call you out.

Do Clemson or Oregon have a NC? Do they have a Heisman winner? Do they have arguably the best RB in the history of football?
Does Syracuse not have some serious historical talent in the NFL?

You could have picked a better school to make your point. Syracuse has some legit history.