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They do realize that there's only one ball on the court at all times right? I'll be interested to see if Pierce, Allen and Garnett can play together. If so...yikes.
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billmac91
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This lineup looks good on paper but Boston will be a 4-5 seed playoff team that doesn't materialize like people are thinking right now......Do people out there really understand what type of player Paul Pierce is? This guy will still take as many shots, and still play a lazy offensive game that consists of pull-up jumpers and other really bad shots
I laughed out loud today at Steven A Smith, who on ESPN Radio said "this team will now just run you out of the gym".....Does he not realize Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are over 30 and moving out of their prime.....plus KG doesn't exactly remind me of an Amare Stoudamire getting up and down the court at this point....even if they are good, it isn't going to be a "run you out of the gyn" mentality but that's another discussion for how bad Steven A is.
I'm just not seeing it....if you added another piece to KG and Ray Allen outside of a selfish player like Paul Pierce I would probably see it, but this just isn't going to work.....all Boston needs to do now is trade for Gary Peyton, and get Karl Malone to come out of retirement to fill out the line-up
I laughed out loud today at Steven A Smith, who on ESPN Radio said "this team will now just run you out of the gym".....Does he not realize Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are over 30 and moving out of their prime.....plus KG doesn't exactly remind me of an Amare Stoudamire getting up and down the court at this point....even if they are good, it isn't going to be a "run you out of the gyn" mentality but that's another discussion for how bad Steven A is.
I'm just not seeing it....if you added another piece to KG and Ray Allen outside of a selfish player like Paul Pierce I would probably see it, but this just isn't going to work.....all Boston needs to do now is trade for Gary Peyton, and get Karl Malone to come out of retirement to fill out the line-up
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redskinbucksfan
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The Celtics have absolutely no depth at all. Allen, KG, and Stabbie Pierce can't play 40 minutes a night, and if just 1 of them misses any significant time w/ injury, this team implodes. Absolutely agree w/ the Herschel Walker trade comparison. It won't build a dynasty in Minneapolis, but the Celts are going the way of the Knicks in 2 years.
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PlanetFrnd
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billmac91;892873; said:
I agree and disagree, billmac. I agree that Pierce has been a selfish player, but, especially lately, he hasn't had much incentive to play hard. Even with Antoine Walker (a chubby version of his college self) the C's were a mediocre to bad team... but, fine, even if Pierce is a selfish player, Allen and Garnett don't need to have the ball in their hands that much to score. Allen can shoot from anywhere, and has a quick release - he can get his shot off as fast as Reggie Miller used to. And have you ever seen a TWolves game in person? In the last couple years they might be the worst-coached team not named Caveliers. They don't run nearly as many plays for Garnett as you would think they should, and many of the plays they do run are out-of-position post entries. Garnett probably scores half of his points on hustle plays and offensive put-backs.
All I'm saying is, Pierce won't have to change his game much, and this team is much better offensively with these additions. That being said...
redskinbucksfan;893174; said:
Exactly, they badly need to find ways to plug some holes with decent role players. They won't need anyone amazing, they can fill the bench with 1990's Chicago Bulls bench guys and will probably be fine in the East.
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OH10
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The Celtics just mortgaged their future on three 30+ guys that have never made the NBA Finals. (and in Allen's case, he was lucky to ever see the playoffs). Neither player even so much as led their team to the playoffs in any of the past two years.
Their point guard (Rondo) couldn't win a 3rd grade 3-point shooting contest. Their shooting guard (Allen) couldn't guard my grandmother. Their small forward (Pierce) is an injury prone ballhog who gets destroyed every time he plays against someone superior athletically (See Lebron). They have no center AND ZERO BENCH.
And now, all of a sudden, they're the best team in the East according to some commentators?
Come off it. They might make the playoffs, and may even win their weak division. But after two years of playoff fizzles, they'll be trying to start all over again with what they have left - which is now, of course, nothing.
Danny Ainge got taken to school on this trade.
Their point guard (Rondo) couldn't win a 3rd grade 3-point shooting contest. Their shooting guard (Allen) couldn't guard my grandmother. Their small forward (Pierce) is an injury prone ballhog who gets destroyed every time he plays against someone superior athletically (See Lebron). They have no center AND ZERO BENCH.
And now, all of a sudden, they're the best team in the East according to some commentators?
Come off it. They might make the playoffs, and may even win their weak division. But after two years of playoff fizzles, they'll be trying to start all over again with what they have left - which is now, of course, nothing.
Danny Ainge got taken to school on this trade.
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redskinbucksfan
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Exactly, they badly need to find ways to plug some holes with decent role players. They won't need anyone amazing, they can fill the bench with 1990's Chicago Bulls bench guys and will probably be fine in the East.[/quote]
The problem is that they have their entire salary cap tied to the big 3, so half their team will be Developmental League caliber. The worst part of this trade is watching the national media stroke the Celtics because they are a big market team.
Exactly, they badly need to find ways to plug some holes with decent role players. They won't need anyone amazing, they can fill the bench with 1990's Chicago Bulls bench guys and will probably be fine in the East.[/quote]
The problem is that they have their entire salary cap tied to the big 3, so half their team will be Developmental League caliber. The worst part of this trade is watching the national media stroke the Celtics because they are a big market team.
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PlanetFrnd
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OH10;893196; said:The Celtics just mortgaged their future on three 30+ guys that have never made the NBA Finals. (and in Allen's case, he was lucky to ever see the playoffs). Neither player even so much as led their team to the playoffs in any of the past two years.
Their point guard (Rondo) couldn't win a 3rd grade 3-point shooting contest. Their shooting guard (Allen) couldn't guard my grandmother. Their small forward (Pierce) is an injury prone ballhog who gets destroyed every time he plays against someone superior athletically (See Lebron). They have no center AND ZERO BENCH.
And now, all of a sudden, they're the best team in the East according to some commentators?
Come off it. They might make the playoffs, and may even win their weak division. But after two years of playoff fizzles, they'll be trying to start all over again with what they have left - which is now, of course, nothing.
Danny Ainge got taken to school on this trade.
Hopefully Rondo will understand that shooting is not part of his role on this team.
How old was Jordan when the Bulls first won a Championship? Low 30s isn't death. I'm not on the championship bandwagon, but I think nayayers are overplaying the age factor considering that the C's new big three are all in their low 30s. I'm definitely NOT a Celtics fan, but I think this team could do some things...
redskinbucksfan;893219; said:
I'm still agreeing with you 'Skins, I just don't think they need all that much to contend.
To TRON and Sushi, I've always been a Garnett fan and I've always respected Ray Allen, so now I will have to begrudgingly follow the C's to see what happens. The only thing I know for sure is that bringing some more excitement to the East will be a good thing.
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billmac91
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does anyone remember Paul Pierce on the U.S.A. team...........i'm sure the guy has matured but even still it was one of THE MOST SELFISH displays i've ever seen.....to be surronded by that much talent and still feel like you have to force shots up is unbelievable....i just don't see these guys meshing at all......I like the Nets comparison, although I think a trio of Paul Pierce/KG/ and Jason Kidd would work......basically any 3rd option with KG and Kidd would work....The Nets have no inside presence which is what hurts them and I think the lack of a PG to distribute the ball will hurt the C's.......don't get me wrong, they'll have their moments and be scary good, but it's not a chamapionship team by any means, or an Eastern Conference champion even
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HabaneroBuck
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I didn't really like the trade, but realistically, I think the C's ARE the best team in the East. Come on...Chicago? Miami? Detroit? The Cavs? The East is full of mediocrity. Garnett is the best player in the East, Ray Allen is the best shooter in the East, and Paul Pierce is a lethal player when motivated. Absolutely true that the Celtics are thin, though.
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billmac91
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The East is full of mediocrity but you really have to look no further than the Nets to see what is about to happen...the C's will play a half-court game to maximize their talents and play lots of close games that will take a toll by the end of the season....They just aren't going to deliver like so many in the National Media seem to think
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HabaneroBuck
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The Nets?
Paul Pierce is the equal of Vince Carter. I like his game more because he is very good on the glass and a better shooter.
Ray Allen is different, but probably of a little lower value than Jason Kidd.
Kevin Garnett is so far beyond Richard Jefferson that it isn't even worth mentioning.
The Celtics' three are 33-45% better than the Nets three.
Paul Pierce is the equal of Vince Carter. I like his game more because he is very good on the glass and a better shooter.
Ray Allen is different, but probably of a little lower value than Jason Kidd.
Kevin Garnett is so far beyond Richard Jefferson that it isn't even worth mentioning.
The Celtics' three are 33-45% better than the Nets three.
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