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Game Thread tOSU @ Virginia Tech, Sep 7 2015 @ 8pm ET, ESPN

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I also forgot to mention now playing Navy has a tendency to fuck up your DL for the following week's game. Navy had seven FBS teams who had a game the following week...six of those seven teams lost:

Ohio St. (L - VT)
Texas St. (L - Illinois)
Rutgers (W - Tulane)
Western Kentucky (L - UAB)
Air Force (L - Utah St)
San Jose St. (L - Colo St)
Notre Dame (L - Ariz St)

I left out Navy's other opponents because of the following reasons:
  • Temple had a bye week after Navy
  • VMI and Georgia Southern are both FCS
  • South Alabama and Army both had Navy as the last game of the regular season
  • San Diego St was Navy's bowl opponent
So, if you had a game the week after playing Navy, you were pretty much fucked.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I also forgot to mention now playing Navy has a tendency to fuck up your DL for the following week's game. Navy had seven FBS teams who had a game the following week...six of those seven teams lost:

Ohio St. (L - VT)
Texas St. (L - Illinois)
Rutgers (W - Tulane)
Western Kentucky (L - UAB)
Air Force (L - Utah St)
San Jose St. (L - Colo St)
Notre Dame (L - Ariz St)

I left out Navy's other opponents because of the following reasons:
  • Temple had a bye week after Navy
  • VMI and Georgia Southern are both FCS
  • South Alabama and Army both had Navy as the last game of the regular season
  • San Diego St was Navy's bowl opponent
So, if you had a game the week after playing Navy, you were pretty much fucked.
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If I recall Urban said no thanks to this matchup again. Hopefully AD Smith got the memo. I really wish Navy would change their offense because I like giving them the exposure they deserve. It's also reason I don't get excited over a Georgia Tech addition to the BIG. I'm sure the BIG office's would schedule them for us in the worst possible way.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I have been perusing the Key Play site from time to time. Posters and even their resident X and O guy seem extremely confident.

Specifically they seem to give little to no credence to the possibility of OSU's offensive struggles in the '14 game being due to youth/inexperience of OSU offensive personnel. Apparently is was all due to the VT defense which, oddly enough, has taken on '85 Bears level ability in the summertime echo chamber of their board.
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I don't see a game thread there yet...

JFC, was that site designed in 1995?
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
IIRC it was an option route that Corey Smith read as a go and JT read as a curl. But yea there was a chance to pull that off. And probably the greatest advantage they had was literally out smarting our coaching staff with the bear defense. They even said that. So truly the only way I can see a loss is if they somehow invent a defense. Otherwise I just can't see a loss tbh. The only other way I see a loss is if they just completely dominate the turnover margin, like +3 is a minimum probably.
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Which is exactly what Bud Foster will do. I know tech better than any of us as I use to live in Roanoke, VA and all my good friends love the Hokies down there (which blows for me considering last years results). If all of us think Bud Foster is just going to roll up with the same Defense I'm certain a lot of you will be very frustrated when in fact he does not. Everyone in college football gets the publicity as defensive coordinators like Chizik, the fat dude at A&M (once at LSU), Monte Kiffin, Charley Strong when he coordinated but I would take Bud Foster over all of them.

If there is ever a defensive coordinator that fits my liking it's Bud Foster and man would I love to see his pressure defense come to the good side some day (he's the next tech coach IMO). In saying that I will say what I've been saying for a while now which is they will keep it close and while I still think OSU wins I have a feeling many of us are going to come away from this game feeling like it was a loss. With all our weapons and all our athletic advantage over their players they always play there asses off on defense and because of that (along with Bud Foster) I feel this is a 1-2 score game.

I'll be glad to be wrong if we role into Blacksburg and romp on them something fierce but they still have the pieces to make our lives very difficult come our first game. We have to remember they do have two very good corners, and their defensive line will be un real next year IMO with Dadi/Maddy returning. I personally feel this will be hands down the best defense we face all year including the playoffs if we make it this up coming season I really do.

Their offense though won't be nearly as successful though IMO. Our defense will have seen a offense all off season/camp that is 3x what their offense is so I feel our defense will be all over their offense. You add that and the fact that our boys have been on the big stage before and with us wanting payback and I feel that's the difference mentally. Physically it is the same as last year win special teams, win field position, and with at the LOS. Do that we win and if we don't we won't.

Bucks 31
Tech- 24
 
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bukIpower said:
Which is exactly what Bud Foster will do. I know tech better than any of us as I use to live in Roanoke, VA and all my good friends love the Hokies down there (which blows for me considering last years results). If all of us think Bud Foster is just going to roll up with the same Defense I'm certain a lot of you will be very frustrated when in fact he does not. Everyone in college football gets the publicity as defensive coordinators like Chizik, the fat dude at A&M (once at LSU), Monte Kiffin, Charley Strong when he coordinated but I would take Bud Foster over all of them.

If there is ever a defensive coordinator that fits my liking it's Bud Foster and man would I love to see his pressure defense come to the good side some day (he's the next tech coach IMO). In saying that I will say what I've been saying for a while now which is they will keep it close and while I still think OSU wins I have a feeling many of us are going to come away from this game feeling like it was a loss. With all our weapons and all our athletic advantage over their players they always play there asses off on defense and because of that (along with Bud Foster) I feel this is a 1-2 score game.
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Oh I'm not saying that I was expecting them to play bear again. Although I'm sure they'll try it some. What I meant is that they would have to do the same thing as they did last year. Find a defense that osu, both players and coaches, has never seen before. So the question is is bud foster capable of literally creating an entire defensive philosophy that doesn't exist, or find one that attacks osu's weaknesses while ALSO never being seen by the coaches. It was a rare blend of both last year, and I'm wagering that doesn't happen again this year.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Oh I'm not saying that I was expecting them to play bear again. Although I'm sure they'll try it some. What I meant is that they would have to do the same thing as they did last year. Find a defense that osu, both players and coaches, has never seen before. So the question is is bud foster capable of literally creating an entire defensive philosophy that doesn't exist, or find one that attacks osu's weaknesses while ALSO never being seen by the coaches. It was a rare blend of both last year, and I'm wagering that doesn't happen again this year.
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I think he will have something new but like you said I don't think it will be anywhere near as successful mainly due to our boys having a mountain of experience now.
 
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If we can put up 530+ yards against both Wisconsin and Alabama I see not a whole lot of problems doing the same at VT. If Foster is as smart a DC as some say he is, he knew going into the game--even before Miller's injury--that out OL would be the greenest in the country...the fact had got to attack a totally green QB also instead of the two-time B1G OPOY was a bonus. So, he essentially had carte blanche. He won't have that this year...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
If we can put up 530+ yards against both Wisconsin and Alabama I see not a whole lot of problems doing the same at VT. If Foster is as smart a DC as some say he is, he knew going into the game--even before Miller's injury--that out OL would be the greenest in the country...the fact had got to attack a totally green QB also instead of the two-time B1G OPOY was a bonus. So, he essentially had carte blanche. He won't have that this year...
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I understand your points but he has something that I don't think a ton of Defensive Coordinators have... Balls to just say fuck it I'm coming after you and I don't care what happens. You're right though he won't have a green oline and IMO he will have to deal with a very different JT Barrett as well. I just personally feel their defense will be the most disruptive bunch we've seen since we saw them last in the shoe' because as Foster noted as we closed out our season teams would not commit to stopping our running game and Zeke' went off because of it. IMO he's right Alabama/Oregon really didn't sell out to stop the run like I thought they would and were very hesitant to play 0 with no help deep (which I don't blame them).He specifically noted that they were successful because they made stopping our rushing attack the focal point of the game and forced us to try to throw for 300+ yards and multiple scores to beat them. The man will gamble but I think that's his weakness....

My biggest beef with our team last year against tech was we refused to formation them OUT of their defensive style. We allowed them to sit with 8 in the box and clog the LOS and had we spread the field (forcing players out of the box) or trying a 7 man LOS (tight end on the side of both tackles) which would stretch their players out we would've been fine. He'll try something new against us (Bud Foster) and this time it's going to be a matter of how quickly we make changes to get around it. Fortunately we also have had 7 months to get ready for this game and add wrinkles as well.

After rewatching the game with the Hokies the formation of 5 OL and a TE who is aligned just to the side of the tackle (but 1-2 yards behind the LOS) got absolutely destroyed due to players hemming the edges and shooting the gaps up the middle. While that's a staple of our offense if it ain't there this time we need to be smart about it and go away from it to force them out of comfort zone.
 
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bukIpower said:
I just personally feel their defense will be the most disruptive bunch we've seen since we saw them last in the shoe' because as Foster noted as we closed out our season teams would not commit to stopping our running game and Zeke' went off because of it. IMO he's right Alabama/Oregon really didn't sell out to stop the run like I thought they would and were very hesitant to play 0 with no help deep (which I don't blame them).He specifically noted that they were successful because they made stopping our rushing attack the focal point of the game and forced us to try to throw for 300+ yards and multiple scores to beat them. The man will gamble but I think that's his weakness....
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Defense after that game could not do they same as VT because the OL continued to gel as the season progressed and gave JT the time to mature and gain confidence. I remember one ABC/ESPN commentator (Sean McDonough IIRC) stating mid-/late-season that if VT and OSU played again that "the Buckeyes would smoke them."

bukIpower said:
After rewatching the game with the Hokies the formation of 5 OL and a TE who is aligned just to the side of the tackle (but 1-2 yards behind the LOS) got absolutely destroyed due to players hemming the edges and shooting the gaps up the middle. While that's a staple of our offense if it ain't there this time we need to be smart about it and go away from it to force them out of comfort zone.
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I'm pretty sure that the staff has been game-planning this game since about two days after the Oregon game. I don't care how fucking good Bud Foster is, he won't be facing a totally green QB, a green RB, and totally green OL, but rather a Heisman-caliber QB, possibly the best RB in the country, and one of the best OLs in the country. If Boston College could be up 33 and Duh U could put up 30 against their defense--both in Lane Stadium--there's little doubt in my mind that putting up 42-49 points is not beyond possibility, if not expectation. And their offense is so shitty (0 TDs against Duh U and fucking Wake Forest, and 1 TD and 22 yards rushing against Pitt), that I expect to hold them under 20 points.
 
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Does anyone else feel that having both Cardale and JT for this game is a huge advantage? I'm usually a "if you have a 2-QB system you don't have ONE good QB" type of guy. I think the same is true here because we have TWO GREAT qb's available for this game. I think this allows us to adjust based on gameplan, should the offense stall.
 
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