2020 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[morbitzerker]

Two easy answers:

1). Location - the talent within a five hour radius of Atlanta is absolutely phenomenal.
2). Draft Day - like it or not, Dawgs get drafted by alot of NFL teams.

Belicheck has personally come to Athens to work out players each of the past three seasons. Recruits see the best coach in Football spending that much time evaluating (and drafting) talent and it makes a difference.

You don't have to tell me we have had some disappointments. Look at my last four years of posting to get a better handle on that.
But there is a very, very easy explanation for why kids choose Georgia.

Having lived in Atlanta for 8 years and Athens for 2, it is no surprise why student athletes would go to UGA. Not just football, but the overall talent in North GA would make any athletic department salivate. The facilities at UGA are nice, it has history, Athens is a full blown college town catered to the students. I mean, even if you fail on the field your gonna score somehow.

 

[GaTechBuckeye]

Having lived in Atlanta for 8 years and Athens for 2, it is no surprise why student athletes would go to UGA. Not just football, but the overall talent in North GA would make any athletic department salivate. The facilities at UGA are nice, it has history, Athens is a full blown college town catered to the students. I mean, even if you fail on the field your gonna score somehow.

UGA recruits successfully at a national level (similar to Ohio State). For the 2020 class, only 5 of their current 19 signed/committed players are from the state of Georgia. In 2019, it was 6 of 25. Albeit, a lot of the talent comes regionally from other Southeastern states. As much as I hate to say it, they're just set up well for success in football. The city of Athens is one of the best college towns I've ever been to. The school itself is pretty darn good. They have a solid commitment to their football team, facilities, and coaching with a relatively easy divisional path to the SEC championship game (compared to other elite programs at least) and a solid history of preparing and sending players to the NFL. Honestly, if they're not ranked in the top 5-7 programs with regards to recruiting in a given year then something went wrong.

 

[ScriptOhio]

QUARTERBACK: A+
Signees: (2) Jack Miller, C.J. Stroud

WIDE RECEIVER: A+
Signees: (4) Julian Fleming, Gee Scott Jr., Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Mookie Cooper

OFFENSIVE LINE: A-
Signees: (6) Paris Johnson Jr., Luke Wypler, Grant Toutant, Josh Fryar, Jakob James, Trey Leroux

 

[buckeyebri]

I have to say I’m not a fan of the early signing period. I think the loss of Phillips is directly correlated here. Hopefully we can hang onto Martinez once we get a new coach on board.

Day and the rest of the staff did an amazing job keeping the class together with the loss of Hafley.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I have to say I’m not a fan of the early signing period. I think the loss of Phillips is directly correlated here. Hopefully we can hang onto Martinez once we get a new coach on board.

Day and the rest of the staff did an amazing job keeping the class together with the loss of Hafley.

So about that.

It came out in a story that Day essentially pushed for Hafley to take the job. If true, I think we have the first really big mistake from Day so far.

Looks like he may have taken the posture of "I'll show that I can lose any assistant, replace him with someone else just as good, the recruits will stick with me because I'm Ryan Day and it's OSU" kind of thing.

Well he's already lost 20%,and at risk of losing 40%, of his 5 man DB class that he just absolutely couldn't afford to miss on.

You cannot simply gloss over the DB situation for '20 because the class was, overall, excellent. It ain't good. None of the 5 star WR's are going to help cover anyone.

 

[DiamondBuck]

So about that.

It came out in a story that Day essentially pushed for Hafley to take the job. If true, I think we have the first really big mistake from Day so far.

Looks like he may have taken the posture of "I'll show that I can lose any assistant, replace him with someone else just as good, the recruits will stick with me because I'm Ryan Day and it's OSU" kind of thing.

Well he's already lost 20%,and at risk of losing 40%, of his 5 man DB class that he just absolutely couldn't afford to miss on.

You cannot simply gloss over the DB situation for '20 because the class was, overall, excellent. It ain't good. None of the 5 star WR's are going to help cover anyone.

Okay, please provide a link. That's some head-scratching speculation(?) that Day's ego would lead him to such an action.

 

[Oh8ch]

So about that.

It came out in a story that Day essentially pushed for Hafley to take the job. If true, I think we have the first really big mistake from Day so far.

Looks like he may have taken the posture of "I'll show that I can lose any assistant, replace him with someone else just as good, the recruits will stick with me because I'm Ryan Day and it's OSU" kind of thing.

Well he's already lost 20%,and at risk of losing 40%, of his 5 man DB class that he just absolutely couldn't afford to miss on.

You cannot simply gloss over the DB situation for '20 because the class was, overall, excellent. It ain't good. None of the 5 star WR's are going to help cover anyone.

If acting in the best interests of the people who work for you is wrong.....

This should pay off with every coach he tries to hire going forward.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Okay, please provide a link. That's some head-scratching speculation(?) that Day's ego would lead him to such an action.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...o-boston-college-big-ten-all-decade-standings

First bullet "on good terms"

“I didn’t plan on leaving (Ohio State) in a year,” Hafley said. “That thought never entered my mind. But, you know, Ryan (Day) said to me months ago, when we started talking about my future, he said I’m going to have a chance to be a head coach. He said, ‘BC, whenever it opens, I think you’d be a good fit. It’d be one you would certainly have to look at,’

If acting in the best interests of the people who work for you is wrong.....

This should pay off with every coach he tries to hire going forward.

There is always a balance between the mission and the men. Of course you want to do what's best for the people who work for you but first and foremost you are there to get a job done for the institution you signed up to work for. Help him get a job next year when you can plan for it a little better and not shoot your self in the foot in the midst of a NC run and crucial recruiting time. There is nothing special about BC other than they both have a history with it.

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[DiamondBuck]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...o-boston-college-big-ten-all-decade-standings

First bullet "on good terms"







There is always a balance between the mission and the men. Of course you want to do what's best for the people who work for you but first and foremost you are there to get a job done for the institution you signed up to work for. Help him get a job next year when you can plan for it a little better and not shoot your self in the foot in the midst of a NC run and crucial recruiting time. There is nothing special about BC other than they both have a history with it.

There is a lot of inference required to get from the content of that article to "I'll show that I can lose any assistant, replace him with someone else just as good, the recruits will stick with me because I'm Ryan Day and it's OSU". It's worth noting that the conversation between Day and Hafley concerned a hypothetical given that it happened "months ago" and the BC opening occurred this month.

 

[ScriptOhio]

So about that.

It came out in a story that Day essentially pushed for Hafley to take the job. If true, I think we have the first really big mistake from Day so far.

Looks like he may have taken the posture of "I'll show that I can lose any assistant, replace him with someone else just as good, the recruits will stick with me because I'm Ryan Day and it's OSU" kind of thing.

Well he's already lost 20%,and at risk of losing 40%, of his 5 man DB class that he just absolutely couldn't afford to miss on.

You cannot simply gloss over the DB situation for '20 because the class was, overall, excellent. It ain't good. None of the 5 star WR's are going to help cover anyone.

Assistant coaching changes just "goes with the territory", especially in a very successful program. I guess it would have been nice if he hadn't accepted the job until after the early signing day, however, the chips didn't fall that way. I don't see anything wrong with a head coach recommending/promoting a (deserving) assistant for a head coaching job. I guess Day could have offered Hafley more to say; but, becoming a head coach is usually the career goal of most assistants. If the assistant coaching positions at Ohio State (under Day) becomes known as a "stepping stone" to a head coaching job it's just going to be a lot easier for Day for hire highly qualified replacements.

(Assuming that you have that kind of job) Would you want your supervisor to try and hold you back from getting a promotion?

 

[Jaxbuck]

There is a lot of inference required to get from the content of that article to "I'll show that I can lose any assistant, replace him with someone else just as good, the recruits will stick with me because I'm Ryan Day and it's OSU". It's worth noting that the conversation between Day and Hafley concerned a hypothetical given that it happened "months ago" and the BC opening occurred this month.

Also worth noting the direct quote from Hafley that he didn't intend to leave after one year. Not sure how anyone reads the article and doesn't even entertain the idea that Day was perhaps being overly helpful here.

(Assuming that you have that kind of job) Would you want your supervisor to try and hold you back from getting a promotion?

This is so far from apples to apples with regular jobs it's not even worth discussing but I still stand by my original point, that BC is pretty far from the huge promotion that people seem to think it is. Yes he's got a HC title now and some more money but he could have gotten a raise to stay another year and then taken a more top shelf kind of job. There is always some middleweight P5 team looking for a coach (for a reason).

 

[RB07OSU]

So about that.

It came out in a story that Day essentially pushed for Hafley to take the job. If true, I think we have the first really big mistake from Day so far.

Looks like he may have taken the posture of "I'll show that I can lose any assistant, replace him with someone else just as good, the recruits will stick with me because I'm Ryan Day and it's OSU" kind of thing.

Well he's already lost 20%,and at risk of losing 40%, of his 5 man DB class that he just absolutely couldn't afford to miss on.

You cannot simply gloss over the DB situation for '20 because the class was, overall, excellent. It ain't good. None of the 5 star WR's are going to help cover anyone.

Biggest issue I have on Halfley's departure is the timing of the announcement. Wait until December 19th to announce the move. I know some people hate that move, like when Drayton announced he was leaving right after signing day. Weber got pissed at first, but look how well it worked out for him. And in all reality, this idea recruiting and it happens. In this case, it's like Day said, we're going to get a stellar replacement and Philips would have been fine. Really not happy to have lost him and potentially Martinez. With early signing day, we won't find anyone remotely talented as Phillips at this point.

 

[Jagdaddy]

Are we sure that we lost Phillips because of Hafley leaving? I had the impression that he was wobbling before that happened. I also think that we'll keep Martinez. I'm much more concerned about Hafley being on top of his coaching game until 1/13 than losing a db recruit to a school that we'll likely not meet on the field while he's there.

 

[shetuck]

So about that.

It came out in a story that Day essentially pushed for Hafley to take the job. If true, I think we have the first really big mistake from Day so far.

Looks like he may have taken the posture of "I'll show that I can lose any assistant, replace him with someone else just as good, the recruits will stick with me because I'm Ryan Day and it's OSU" kind of thing.

Well he's already lost 20%,and at risk of losing 40%, of his 5 man DB class that he just absolutely couldn't afford to miss on.

You cannot simply gloss over the DB situation for '20 because the class was, overall, excellent. It ain't good. None of the 5 star WR's are going to help cover anyone.

Not disagreeing with you, because who's to say, but...

This is the same guy (Ryan Day) who was down 14-0 in the 2nd half at Wisconsin, was staring at the business end of a 4th-and-9 from his own 26 yard line, and had the balls to run a fake punt! I'd venture to say it's the same "I'll show them..." attitude.

So... yeah... he can't win 'em all. But I'd still take my chances with this approach. He's taking risks, to be sure. But I think he is taking calculated risks.