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2020 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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Tanner said:
The Lettermen row article about recruiting Cincinnati is pretty interesting. I knew Cincinnati hasn't always produced players to Ohio State for whatever reason, but I wouldn't have guessed that Tressel only signed 7 players from there during his entire tenure.
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Tressel essentially ignored recruiting south of Dayton, and missed out on some talent that would've headed to Columbus. Never sure of his reasoning.

bukIpower said:
That's what it honestly felt like... I recall so many Cincinnati area kids not coming to OSU during Tressel/UFM tenures. I've never understood that even with the catholic pull of ND and Boston College.
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False on UFM, he attacked Cincy and tried to make up ground from the Tress regime. Guys like Hubbard, Hilliard, Riep, Hausman, Washington, to name a few were all under UFM and showed that he made the Queen City a priority in in state recruiting. And top kids from Cincy have almost always wanted to attend tOSU, hence why the game against UC tomorrow is such a big deal for the kids here, and I'm sure Fickell is using the "they didn't think you were good enough to play for them" angle to rile up his players.
 
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pnuts34 said:
Tressel essentially ignored recruiting south of Dayton, and missed out on some talent that would've headed to Columbus. Never sure of his reasoning.


False on UFM, he attacked Cincy and tried to make up ground from the Tress regime. Guys like Hubbard, Hilliard, Riep, Hausman, Washington, to name a few were all under UFM and showed that he made the Queen City a priority in in state recruiting. And top kids from Cincy have almost always wanted to attend tOSU, hence why the game against UC tomorrow is such a big deal for the kids here, and I'm sure Fickell is using the "they didn't think you were good enough to play for them" angle to rile up his players.
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Eh with Urban Ohio in general wasn't as big of a priority so not sure how well he did with Cincinnati then.
 
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Tanner said:
I knew Cincinnati hasn't always produced players to Ohio State for whatever reason, but I wouldn't have guessed that Tressel only signed 7 players from there during his entire tenure.
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Seven players from Cincinnati, plus three from West Chester and two from Hamilton. So, a dozen from the Cincy area in ten years.

Tressel didn't have great success in Cincinnati, but the area wasn't producing talent at the level of Cleveland, Columbus, or even Dayton during the Tressel years. Some of the notable "misses" from that era, with Rivals in-state ranking:

DB Adam Myers-White, Hamilton, #6 in class of 2005 (Tennessee)
RB Mister Simpson, Colerain, #16 in class of 2005 (Michigan)
OL Aaron Brown, Princeton, #7 in class of 2006 (Virginia Tech)
LB Cobrani Mixon, Colerain, #9 in class of 2006 (Michigan)
DL Ben Martin, La Salle, #1 in class of 2007 (Tennessee)
TE Kyle Rudolph, Elder, #2 in class of 2008 (Notre Dame)
LB Jordan Hicks, West Chester Lakota West, #2 in class of 2010 (Texas)
RB Spencer Ware, Princeton, #3 in class of 2010 (Louisiana State)
OL Matt James, St. Xavier, #6 in class of 2010 (Notre Dame)
ATH Dominique Brown, Winton Woods, #10 in class of 2010 (Louisville)

I did not include prospects that Ohio State did not seriously pursue, such as Luke Kuechly (St. Xavier, #37 in class of 2009).

The big misses turned out to be Kyle Rudolph and Spencer Ware, and maybe Jordan Hicks.

Tressel signed 134 recruits form the State of Ohio. Here's a list of where Tressel's in-state recruits came from:

Cleveland area: 39 (29.1%)
Columbus area: 25 (18.7%)
Dayton area: 19 (14.2%)
Cincinnati area: 12 (9.0%)
Canton area: 12 (9.0%)
Youngstown area: 9 (6.7%)
Akron area: 6 (4.5%)
Toledo area: 4 (3.0%)
Rest of state: 8 (6.0%)

Here's a LINK to the complete list of Tressel recruits, by location.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Seven players from Cincinnati, plus three from West Chester and two from Hamilton. So, a dozen from the Cincy area in ten years.

Tressel didn't have great success in Cincinnati, but the area wasn't producing talent at the level of Cleveland, Columbus, or even Dayton during the Tressel years. Some of the notable "misses" from that era, with Rivals in-state ranking:

DB Adam Myers-White, Hamilton, #6 in class of 2005 (Tennessee)
RB Mister Simpson, Colerain, #16 in class of 2005 (Michigan)
OL Aaron Brown, Princeton, #7 in class of 2006 (Virginia Tech)
LB Cobrani Mixon, Colerain, #9 in class of 2006 (Michigan)
DL Ben Martin, La Salle, #1 in class of 2007 (Tennessee)
TE Kyle Rudolph, Elder, #2 in class of 2008 (Notre Dame)
LB Jordan Hicks, West Chester Lakota West, #2 in class of 2010 (Texas)
RB Spencer Ware, Princeton, #3 in class of 2010 (Louisiana State)
OL Matt James, St. Xavier, #6 in class of 2010 (Notre Dame)
ATH Dominique Brown, Winton Woods, #10 in class of 2010 (Louisville)

I did not include prospects that Ohio State did not seriously pursue, such as Luke Kuechly (St. Xavier, #37 in class of 2009).

The big misses turned out to be Kyle Rudolph and Spencer Ware, and maybe Jordan Hicks.

Tressel signed 134 recruits form the State of Ohio. Here's a list of where Tressel's in-state recruits came from:

Cleveland area: 39 (29.1%)
Columbus area: 25 (18.7%)
Dayton area: 19 (14.2%)
Cincinnati area: 12 (9.0%)
Canton area: 12 (9.0%)
Youngstown area: 9 (6.7%)
Akron area: 6 (4.5%)
Toledo area: 4 (3.0%)
Rest of state: 8 (6.0%)

Here's a LINK to the complete list of Tressel recruits, by location.
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Man this is great summary, love it.
 
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bukIpower said:
Eh with Urban Ohio in general wasn't as big of a priority so not sure how well he did with Cincinnati then.
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Disagree fully there, Urban would go out of his way to find the best talent anywhere, and his staff was a fixture in the top HSs in Cincinnati(Coombs may have something to do with that). I rarely ever heard of Tress or any of his staff spending much time in Cincinnati area schools, whether they were highly rated or not. That caused one of the major tiffs that Cincinnatians had with OSU. Urban Meyer was a UC alum, former coach at St. X, and had a great relationship with area coaches, which has now helped Day.

LordJeffBuck said:
Seven players from Cincinnati, plus three from West Chester and two from Hamilton. So, a dozen from the Cincy area in ten years.

Tressel didn't have great success in Cincinnati, but the area wasn't producing talent at the level of Cleveland, Columbus, or even Dayton during the Tressel years. Some of the notable "misses" from that era, with Rivals in-state ranking:

DB Adam Myers-White, Hamilton, #6 in class of 2005 (Tennessee)
RB Mister Simpson, Colerain, #16 in class of 2005 (Michigan)
OL Aaron Brown, Princeton, #7 in class of 2006 (Virginia Tech)
LB Cobrani Mixon, Colerain, #9 in class of 2006 (Michigan)
DL Ben Martin, La Salle, #1 in class of 2007 (Tennessee)
TE Kyle Rudolph, Elder, #2 in class of 2008 (Notre Dame)
LB Jordan Hicks, West Chester Lakota West, #2 in class of 2010 (Texas)
RB Spencer Ware, Princeton, #3 in class of 2010 (Louisiana State)
OL Matt James, St. Xavier, #6 in class of 2010 (Notre Dame)
ATH Dominique Brown, Winton Woods, #10 in class of 2010 (Louisville)

I did not include prospects that Ohio State did not seriously pursue, such as Luke Kuechly (St. Xavier, #37 in class of 2009).

The big misses turned out to be Kyle Rudolph and Spencer Ware, and maybe Jordan Hicks.

Tressel signed 134 recruits form the State of Ohio. Here's a list of where Tressel's in-state recruits came from:

Cleveland area: 39 (29.1%)
Columbus area: 25 (18.7%)
Dayton area: 19 (14.2%)
Cincinnati area: 12 (9.0%)
Canton area: 12 (9.0%)
Youngstown area: 9 (6.7%)
Akron area: 6 (4.5%)
Toledo area: 4 (3.0%)
Rest of state: 8 (6.0%)

Here's a LINK to the complete list of Tressel recruits, by location.
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And I disagree, the talent level in Cincy was easily on par with the entire state, hence the number of state titles while Tressel was at the helm. I think that Tressel was just more comfortable recruiting Northern Ohio than he was in the Southwest
 
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pnuts34 said:
And I disagree, the talent level in Cincy was easily on par with the entire state, hence the number of state titles while Tressel was at the helm. I think that Tressel was just more comfortable recruiting Northern Ohio than he was in the Southwest
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Of course, you disagree.

I'm not sure that state championships means anything when we're talking about individual recruits, but let's use your criterion.

During the Tressel years, Cincinnati schools won five "big school" state championships: 2002 Elder; 2003 Elder; 2004 Colerain; 2005 St. Xavier; and 2007 St. Xavier. Those schools produced a combined ten top-20 in-state recruits during the Tressel years:

2005 QB Rob Schoenhoft (#8, St. Xavier)
2005 RB Mister Simpson (#16, Colerain)
2006 OL Connor Smith (#3, Colerain)
2006 LB Cobrani Mixon (#9, Colerain)
2007 DB Eugene Clifford (#3, Colreain)
2008 TE Kyle Rudolph (#2, Elder)
2008 RB Darius Ashley (#20, St. Xavier)
2010 OL Matt James (#6, St. Xavier)
2010 TE Alex Welch (#14, Elder)
2011 LB Steven Daniels (#16, St. Xavier)

Cleveland Glenville did not win a single state championship during the Tressel years. However, that school alone produced nineteen top-20 in-state recruits:

2001 LB Pierre Woods (#1)
2002 QB Troy Smith (#12)
2003 DB Donte Whitner (#2)
2003 DB Dareus Hiley (#6)
2004 ATH Ted Ginn (#1)
2005 DB Jamario O'Neal (#2)
2005 LB Freddie Lenix (#18)
2006 DL Robert Rose (#2)
2006 ATH Ray Small (#5)
2006 OL Bryant Browning (#14)
2007 LB Jermale Hines (#7)
2007 LB Lebron Daniel (#18)
2008 WR Cordale Scott (#15)
2009 OL Marcus Hall (#2)
2009 LB Jonathan Newsome (#20)
2010 DB Latwan Anderson (#1)
2010 DB Christian Bryant (#7)
2011 OL Aundrey Walker (#3)
2011 DE Andre Sturdivant (#14)

To me, it made more sense to expend recruiting efforts on one school (Glenville) that produced twice as much talent, and better talent (Smith, Whitner, Ginn, etc.), and was more Ohio State friendly, than on the three schools that won state championships with deep rosters but very little high end talent. But that's just my opinion. You probably disagree.
 
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Great discussions on Tressel and his successes in northeast Ohio. Instead of the “misses” in southern Ohio I could contend for the idea that Tressels recruiting prowess in the Youngstown area did not give auto credibility for all of Ohio.
Although 2002 bumped his reputation, It seemed to take some deeper relationship building for JT to reach coaching staffs in SW Ohio.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Of course, you disagree.

I'm not sure that state championships means anything when we're talking about individual recruits, but let's use your criterion.

During the Tressel years, Cincinnati schools won five "big school" state championships: 2002 Elder; 2003 Elder; 2004 Colerain; 2005 St. Xavier; and 2007 St. Xavier. Those schools produced a combined ten top-20 in-state recruits during the Tressel years:

2005 QB Rob Schoenhoft (#8, St. Xavier)
2005 RB Mister Simpson (#16, Colerain)
2006 OL Connor Smith (#3, Colerain)
2006 LB Cobrani Mixon (#9, Colerain)
2007 DB Eugene Clifford (#3, Colreain)
2008 TE Kyle Rudolph (#2, Elder)
2008 RB Darius Ashley (#20, St. Xavier)
2010 OL Matt James (#6, St. Xavier)
2010 TE Alex Welch (#14, Elder)
2011 LB Steven Daniels (#16, St. Xavier)

Cleveland Glenville did not win a single state championship during the Tressel years. However, that school alone produced nineteen top-20 in-state recruits:

2001 LB Pierre Woods (#1)
2002 QB Troy Smith (#12)
2003 DB Donte Whitner (#2)
2003 DB Dareus Hiley (#6)
2004 ATH Ted Ginn (#1)
2005 DB Jamario O'Neal (#2)
2005 LB Freddie Lenix (#18)
2006 DL Robert Rose (#2)
2006 ATH Ray Small (#5)
2006 OL Bryant Browning (#14)
2007 LB Jermale Hines (#7)
2007 LB Lebron Daniel (#18)
2008 WR Cordale Scott (#15)
2009 OL Marcus Hall (#2)
2009 LB Jonathan Newsome (#20)
2010 DB Latwan Anderson (#1)
2010 DB Christian Bryant (#7)
2011 OL Aundrey Walker (#3)
2011 DE Andre Sturdivant (#14)

To me, it made more sense to expend recruiting efforts on one school (Glenville) that produced twice as much talent, and better talent (Smith, Whitner, Ginn, etc.), and was more Ohio State friendly, than on the three schools that won state championships with deep rosters but very little high end talent. But that's just my opinion. You probably disagree.
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From the top rope...

...but he probably disagrees
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Of course, you disagree.

I'm not sure that state championships means anything when we're talking about individual recruits, but let's use your criterion.

During the Tressel years, Cincinnati schools won five "big school" state championships: 2002 Elder; 2003 Elder; 2004 Colerain; 2005 St. Xavier; and 2007 St. Xavier. Those schools produced a combined ten top-20 in-state recruits during the Tressel years:

2005 QB Rob Schoenhoft (#8, St. Xavier)
2005 RB Mister Simpson (#16, Colerain)
2006 OL Connor Smith (#3, Colerain)
2006 LB Cobrani Mixon (#9, Colerain)
2007 DB Eugene Clifford (#3, Colreain)
2008 TE Kyle Rudolph (#2, Elder)
2008 RB Darius Ashley (#20, St. Xavier)
2010 OL Matt James (#6, St. Xavier)
2010 TE Alex Welch (#14, Elder)
2011 LB Steven Daniels (#16, St. Xavier)

Cleveland Glenville did not win a single state championship during the Tressel years. However, that school alone produced nineteen top-20 in-state recruits:

2001 LB Pierre Woods (#1)
2002 QB Troy Smith (#12)
2003 DB Donte Whitner (#2)
2003 DB Dareus Hiley (#6)
2004 ATH Ted Ginn (#1)
2005 DB Jamario O'Neal (#2)
2005 LB Freddie Lenix (#18)
2006 DL Robert Rose (#2)
2006 ATH Ray Small (#5)
2006 OL Bryant Browning (#14)
2007 LB Jermale Hines (#7)
2007 LB Lebron Daniel (#18)
2008 WR Cordale Scott (#15)
2009 OL Marcus Hall (#2)
2009 LB Jonathan Newsome (#20)
2010 DB Latwan Anderson (#1)
2010 DB Christian Bryant (#7)
2011 OL Aundrey Walker (#3)
2011 DE Andre Sturdivant (#14)

To me, it made more sense to expend recruiting efforts on one school (Glenville) that produced twice as much talent, and better talent (Smith, Whitner, Ginn, etc.), and was more Ohio State friendly, than on the three schools that won state championships with deep rosters but very little high end talent. But that's just my opinion. You probably disagree.
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I guess you got a point there, lol
 
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