tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[MililaniBuckeye]

And yet, Ohio State somehow managed to win a ton of games with guards playing OT for a decade.

And get their collective butts handed to them by teams with a solid DL (Florida 2007, USC 2008).

With a real offensive line coach, a real offensive coordinator, a real offensive game plan, and better recruiting and development of offensive linemen, I am confident we can be significantly better than in previous years along the offensive line and on offense in general without adding 6 OL per recruiting class.

If you think that a "real offense" doesn't need "real" offensive line, then you don't know "real" football. Put down the XBox...

 

[Buckeye86]

If you think that a "real offense" doesn't need "real" offensive line, then you don't know "real" football. Put down the XBox...

Yeah, because that is what I was arguing.

Taking too many offensive linemen hurts recruiting in other areas. Claiming that you "never say no to elite players" at any position is a terrible recruiting strategy.

I think 6 linemen in this class is pushing it. 7 is clearly too many and will hurt recruiting at other positions.

 

[Muck]

Ohio State currently has 14 offensive linemen on scholarship. Four of those are seniors. If Ohio State only signs the three current verbal commits + one more there will be 14 scholarship OL in 2014. That's not counting the possibility of Munger or Price moving over to the OL.

To compare, Alabama has won three of the past four BCS championship games. They run an offense that relies as heavily on strong line play as anyone in the country. How many offensive linemen does Alabama have on scholarship?

Fourteen

If the staff takes 5-6 total OL in this class, it's not because they believe 16-17 OL is the optimum number to have on the roster. It's because they are either unhappy with the ability of the guys currently on scholarship or they believe their will be further attrition.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

This started because I said I would rather take a 6th OL player THIS year who is elite over a lower rated H Back/WR in the case of Roberts or Gesecki. I will stand by that all the way to signing day. Same is true though of an elite DL player. Would you rather miss out on these 2 players this year if you could add Prince as your 6th OL guy along with Holley AND Thomas on the DL? I certainly would.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

If the staff takes 5-6 total OL in this class, it's not because they believe 16-17 OL is the optimum number to have on the roster. It's because they are either unhappy with the ability of the guys currently on scholarship or they believe their will be further attrition.

This. If/when we start selecting/developing the amount of solid O-linemen as programs such as Alabama, Wisconsin, etc. do, then we can afford to have only 14-15 O-linemen on scholarship. Until then we take as many top-level OL recruits as we can...

 

[bigdog3300]

An interesting chart about injuries....now this is for IR so it's not the perfect chart but a useful one IMO

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

An interesting chart about injuries....now this is for IR so it's not the perfect chart but a useful one IMO

Several things about the graphic:

1. Add up OT, G, and C and they total the same if not a tad more than RBs
2. We go 4-5 deep at RB...we really don't go more than 3-deep at any OL position

 

[Buckskin86]

Trout, Collier, Thompson and Holmes

 

[bigdog3300]

Several things about the graphic:

1. Add up OT, G, and C and they total the same if not a tad more than RBs
2. We go 4-5 deep at RB...we really don't go more than 3-deep at any OL position

It wasn't a point one way or the other, just an interesting chart IMO....

That being said, the OL added up less than the RB's but I think the point is moot because it depends on your offensive scheme. Oregon's loss will be different than Alabama's which will be different than Texas's, etc.

 

[Skeetown25]

Good point. However, If you can not win at the point of attack, all else is moot.

 

[Buckeye86]

You can never, ever have too many good O-linemen.

If/when we start selecting/developing the amount of solid O-linemen as programs such as Alabama, Wisconsin, etc. do, then we can afford to have only 14-15 O-linemen on scholarship.

OL is is the position most prone to injuries.

An interesting chart about injuries....now this is for IR so it's not the perfect chart but a useful one IMO

Sure, these are the same things. Your original point has clearly been validated. Take your victory lap.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I had a very interesting conversation this past weekend with a '13 graduate QB from another B1G school. The discussion ranged from the NCAA and Oregon (FTR: he echoed most opinions shared here) to tOSU. His thoughts on tOSU? "The talent that Urban is bringing into Columbus is well beyond the rest of the B1G. He's building a dynasty."

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Sure, these are the same things. Your original point has clearly been validated. Take your victory lap.

Right, a four-year old graphic showing a 3-year breakdown of IR assignments in the NFL clearly applies to the college game.

We aren't RichRod's Michigan teams of 2008-2010 which completely neglected OL talent in favor of an avalanche of slot-dots. There's a reason why UFM is placing such a concerted effort on getting top-end OL recruits, and getting them in quantity...

 

[Buckeye86]

Right, a four-year old graphic showing a 3-year breakdown of IR assignments in the NFL clearly applies to the college game.

And yet, it is significantly more evidence that supports my position than you have to support yours.

We aren't RichRod's Michigan teams of 2008-2010 which completely neglected OL talent in favor of an avalanche of slot-dots. There's a reason why UFM is placing such a concerted effort on getting top-end OL recruits, and getting them in quantity...

Which, once again, has absolutely nothing to do with your original post that I disagreed with.

You can never, ever have too many good O-linemen.

Which you later adjusted to something that I don't disagree with as much.

This. If/when we start selecting/developing the amount of solid O-linemen as programs such as Alabama, Wisconsin, etc. do, then we can afford to have only 14-15 O-linemen on scholarship. Until then we take as many top-level OL recruits as we can...

However, I will say again, I think 6 o-linemen is pushing it in this class and 7 is absolutely too much.

M. Jones
K. Trout
J. Jones

and two or three at the most between

Eluemunor, Mavety, Prince, Knox

would be my ideal OL class right now.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

Right, a four-year old graphic showing a 3-year breakdown of IR assignments in the NFL clearly applies to the college game.

We aren't RichRod's Michigan teams of 2008-2010 which completely neglected OL talent in favor of an avalanche of slot-dots. There's a reason why UFM is placing such a concerted effort on getting top-end OL recruits, and getting them in quantity...

Who else are our D line guys going to practice against for $400?