Game Thread tOSU at Wisconsin, Sat, Oct 16, 7:00 ET; ESPN

[Coqui]

So OSU beat themselves last year against Purdue, but Wisconsin "actually beat" OSU on Saturday night? OK. . And, because of that, Wisconsin's not a lesser program when compared to OSU? Let me make sure I understand your thinking here--we'll ignore the fact that OSU, for example, has been to 7 BCS bowl games in the last 9 years and that Wisconsin has been to zero during that same time period, and instead we'll conclude that Wisconsin isn't a lesser program simply because they beat OSU on Saturday night. Do I have it right now?

1 turnover against Wiscy
5 turnovers against Purdue (3 of them fumbles)

That's how you beat yourself.

And only 1 Big10 team is guaranteed a BCS spot.

 

[BayBuck]

(This is not directed at anyone specific - just adressing the mentality I'm getting in the posts on this thread)
IN this case, if scUM beats us we should not be upset?

They have the tradition.
They have more Big10 titles.
They have more National Championships.
They have had more success.

so I guess we shouldn't be upset if scUM beats us this season because we don't base it on recent achievements. All we care about is what has happened in the history of a program.

But I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. And people are going to complain about anyone that doesn't agree with their opinion. So until I start calling for Heacock and Tressel's head and yell to put Pryor as a WR, you'll disagree with me. I guess we'll just have to think differently

I imagine most posters here are having trouble understanding exactly what you're getting at in this thread--that Wisconsin is in fact a superior program to OSU because they are coming off a head-to-head win? You are being very selective with your criteria for making whatever argument you're making, especially if BCS appearances and national championships are just "irrelevant stats". Hey, it's completely possible (I'm not saying likely) Wisconsin ends up ranked above OSU in the polls and even the Big10 standings, but one season does not a program make. And the comparison to scUM is not analogous, as those programs are a heck of a lot closer in overall historical stature than OSU & Wisconsin.

 

[buckeyesin07]

And only 1 Big10 team is guaranteed a BCS spot.

If UW were on par with OSU, they would've gotten that guaranteed spot at least one year in the last nine, no?

And, news flash, the Big Ten regularly gets more than one BCS bowl game spot (see, for example, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2003, 2002). If you're counting, that's 7 out of the last 8 years. And yet, UW still wasn't good enough to be one of those two Big Ten representatives in ANY of those years. Yet, they're still on par with OSU? . You probably should give up.

 

[BayBuck]

And only 1 Big10 team is guaranteed a BCS spot.

And yet the Big10 has sent 21 teams to BCS bowls in 12 seasons...

 

[Coqui]

I imagine most posters here are having trouble understanding exactly what you're getting at in this thread--that Wisconsin is in fact a superior program to OSU because they are coming off a head-to-head win? You are being very selective with your criteria for making whatever argument you're making, especially if BCS appearances and national championships are just "irrelevant stats". Hey, it's completely possible (I'm not saying likely) Wisconsin ends up ranked above OSU in the polls and even the Big10 standings, but one season does not a program make. And the comparison to scUM is not analogous, as those programs are a heck of a lot closer in overall historical stature than OSU & Wisconsin.

What I'm talking about is purely this season. Only what is currently happening right now at this very moment. Not history. Wiscy's only loss is to the current front runner for the Big10 championship.

But people keep bringing up the program which is why I mentioned Michigan. In all seriousness, is a loss to Wiscy more damaging to a reputation than a loss to Michigan this year? They've been in 3 BCS bowls since 2002 but have more NC and more Big10 titles so they must be awesome compared to us. That's what I'm getting from the posts here.

 

[jwinslow]

(This is not directed at anyone specific - just adressing the mentality I'm getting in the posts on this thread)
IN this case, if scUM beats us we should not be upset?

How about engaging us directly in an actual debate rather than resorting to absurd hyperbole that we aren't saying?

They have the tradition.
They have more Big10 titles.
They have more National Championships.
They have had more success.

It's pretty simple. Wisconsin is not a top-5 program. Ohio State is. Hence, they are a lesser program.

I'd love to hear an argument from you about how they are an equal program to Ohio State other than setting up strawmen consisting of exaggeration.

so I guess we shouldn't be upset if scUM beats us this season because we don't base it on recent achievements. All we care about is what has happened in the history of a program.

More absurd hyperbole tossed out as though it is convincing.

But I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. And people are going to complain about anyone that doesn't agree with their opinion.

Yeah, that's why you're getting called out

So until I start calling for Heacock and Tressel's head and yell to put Pryor as a WR, you'll disagree with me.

Right, that's EXACTLY what we do. Brilliant work coqui.

 

[lvbuckeye]

what i'm getting is a fucking headache.

lock this bitch, and put up the Purdon't thread, please.

 

[osugrad21]

[censored] Iowa, but I hope that Stanzi runs a train on Bitch Bulimia and his pack of [censored]tards next week. I mean really makes their assholes bleed. I was fortunate to be sitting in a section of C.R. that had somewhat decent fans (they did not defile us with their bodily fluids or shout obscenities randomly) but the walk to and from the stadium was just plain rude. Stay classy, [censored]y bucky.

Irony at its finest.

 

[Coqui]

And yet the Big10 has sent 21 teams to BCS bowls in 12 seasons...

But only 12 of those games were guaranteed. The rest were purely financial.

 

[lvbuckeye]

That's what I'm getting from the posts here.

what i'm getting is a fucking headache.


lock this bitch, and put up the Purdon't thread, please.

 

[jwinslow]

What I'm talking about is purely this season.

Would you like to talk about where Wisconsin's program was at last week? Many Badgers weren't sure if he was the right coach for this program. Now they win one game (a great win no doubt), and they're a superior or equal program? No, it takes quite a bit more than that.

They get the bragging rights for a year, but that doesn't make them a better program. It makes them the better team (and I think many have said that pretty convincingly).

Only what is currently happening right now at this very moment. Not history.

Actually you seem to be only interested in what happened in one game. Wisconsin has not been very impressive this year until this game.

Wiscy's only loss is to the current front runner for the Big10 championship.

A front runner because they don't play Ohio State.

 

[Coqui]

How about engaging us directly in an actual debate rather than resorting to absurd hyperbole that we aren't saying?
It's pretty simple. Wisconsin is not a top-5 program. Ohio State is. Hence, they are a lesser program.

Auburn could go .500 or even .750 against Bama over the next 8 years, but unless they catch up to Bama's overall success and achievements, they are a lesser program..

How exactly is this not what you're saying?

We have not caught up to Michigan's overall success and achievements.

That's why I asked, if Michigan beats us this season, rivalry aside, does it sting less than a Wiscy loss this season?

 

[Coqui]

Wisconsin has not been very impressive this year until this game.
A front runner because they don't play Ohio State.

They're still 2-1 in conference play and other than MSU have no reason to believe they aren't in contention for the title.. Obviously we'll find out more about them next week when they play Iowa. And yes I don't like the fact that we don't play MSU when they have a chance for the conference title.

 

[jwinslow]

We have not caught up to Michigan's overall success and achievements.

That doesn't make them a better program. That gives them a better tradition.

If Bo Pelini is hired after Tressel and starts turning in 8-4 seasons for 6 years, the program will not be on the same level as it was under tressel.

That's why I asked, if Michigan beats us this season, rivalry aside, does it sting less than a Wiscy loss this season?

No, because their program is toiling in mediocrity.

If RR beats OSU each of his first three seasons, that gives him bragging rights, but doesn't change the noticeable difference in the two programs. The same holds true for Wisconsin, albeit a lot better success than RR.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

When comparing programs in college football it's all about time-frame.

Unless one is established, all arguments are typically rendered moot when one or all parties choose to dive into semantics rather than actual discussion.

See: this.