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I didn't read all 165 pages, but I have two questions from the end game that I wondered opinions on, neither of which ultimately mattered:
1. Why not take the timeout before they punted the last time and save those 30 seconds? I know it saved us a 10 second runoff eventually, but the math makes no sense to me to not use it earlier.
2. I remember (despite trying not to) a certain PSU game a few years ago with a blocked kick that proved consequential. Why not just kneel down on that XP attempt? It's not like ND had any chance at all for a game winning FG after that.
That's all.
1. Why not take the timeout before they punted the last time and save those 30 seconds? I know it saved us a 10 second runoff eventually, but the math makes no sense to me to not use it earlier.
2. I remember (despite trying not to) a certain PSU game a few years ago with a blocked kick that proved consequential. Why not just kneel down on that XP attempt? It's not like ND had any chance at all for a game winning FG after that.
That's all.
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But it wouldn't have been 10 seconds with 15 seconds, it would have been 10 seconds with 45 seconds left, leaving 35 instead of 15. Right?
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
Fryers penalty for the pancake block changed the game. It should not have been a penalty. It easily could have been a much better and more favorable game but for that bad call. Sorry... that's the way I see it.
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It’s also possible to score in less than a minute, and then you’ve given the Irish more time after your TD. Having the timeout gives more control over when the clock will get very low. And they managed to run 15 plays.
I agree on not kicking the XP. I think it was more likely for the Irish to block it and get 2 than it was for the Irish to get a huge kickoff return, or a Hail Mary, or a successful multi-lateral play - any of those combined with a defensive penalty on the tackle (like a facemask) in order to have given ND an untamed play in Buckeye territory to try to tie the game with a FG. Either unlikely situation would result in OT. But I would have preferred that the squib kick didn’t go out of bounds.
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On Saturday night I thought that call wasn’t that bad, but I saw the play again today and really didn’t like that flag.
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It seems not, last week they didn’t have the Sparty-Washington game which was on Peacock live.
Living in the Chicago area, I watched the 4th quarter today on a ‘Notre Dame replay’ broadcast on a local Chicago Sports channel. It was a 2-hour window, but on the final Buckeye drive they cut out the 4th and 7 conversion to Fleming, the next completion to Marv, the intentional grounding play, and the 3rd and 19 throw to Egbuka on the 1 yard line. Absolutely pathetic editing job.
Of course, I still have the whole original broadcast recorded, and I had already re-re-watched the last 6 minutes of the game earlier today.
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BuckBackHome
Wolverine is largest member of weasel family
Okay, those Frame vs The Moment tweets by the football program are really cool.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
The Frame vs. The Moment: Ohio State Football Relives The Final Drive That Pushed the Buckeyes Past Notre Dame in Their Top-10 Road Matchup
The Frame vs. The Moment: Ohio State football relives its game-winning drive that pushed the Buckeyes past Notre Dame in a top-10 road matchup.
THE FRAME VS. THE MOMENT: OHIO STATE FOOTBALL RELIVES THE FINAL DRIVE THAT PUSHED THE BUCKEYES PAST NOTRE DAME IN THEIR TOP-10 ROAD MATCHUP
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And why did we kick out of bounds.
Why wasn't out special teams -- with its own dedicated coach -- prepared for this kind of event?
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True. Or you take one poorly timed sack or get a 15 yard penalty and have no time for that last lunge over the goal line. In general I'd rather have to play defense for 15 more seconds than run out of time while behind. Also if that last play had been stopped just short, it would have been nice to have had a chance on 3rd or 4th down. But hindsight is 20/20, as they say. (None of this is intended on my part to be argumentative in any way. Just thinking about it. We won so :)
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billmac91
Head Coach
Wanted to give a few shout outs...
-Emeka Egbuka.....what a performance. His ability to create separation out of breaks, but also find soft spots in zone is really spectacular. You can tell he is McCord's "go-to" guy in tight situations which is amazing to think about when you've got Marv on the field as well. 7 receptions for 96 yards against that defense is pretty special.
-Cade Stover....can really see the full transition to TE. His chip blocking was extraordinary all night. He is a weapon on the field. Last year, blocking showed up a few times and was his Achilles heal (especially out in space). Kid is bringing it so far this year and it showed up in spades against ND.
-Chip Trayanum....only had 6 carries for 13 yards, but he adds a special element for this team when on field. Obviously, dropping the hammer from the 1 yard line to win game was huge, but he's really providing some unique looks to our offense. I still think it's a toss-up between who is the better RB between he and Henderson, but both are contributing a ton right now.
-TreyVeon Henderson.....have to give the kids props. He's so explosive. I think the way he and Chip compliment each-other is nearly perfect. Wouldn't mind more packages with them on the field together.
-Marvin Harrison Jr......statisically not his greatest game, but when you see how teams shade over to him, it makes sense how other guys get so open. The quick hits to Xaxivier, Stover, Fleming's crossing route, etc.....a lot of that is attributable to the "pull" Harrison has on the field.
-Tylik Williams......felt like of our defensive line, he was the guy most disruptive on this evening. He collapsed the pocket multiple times and until the second half, really controlled the run game well.
-JTT......I thought he was pretty quiet but man did he impact the game on the last true defensive possesion of the game. Swallowed up the QB zone read, and then nearly picked a screen pass. Those two plays are the reason we even had a chance to win.
-Davison Igbinosun......outside of one PI, kid was a terror out there. Both in run support and pass coverage. That's about as active as I've seen an OSU DB since Denzel Ward flying around laying the wood. We got a very good one here.
-Denzel Burke.....kind of a quiet game, but in a good way. I'm really liking where our secondary is at.
Kyle McCord.....this one is on fence for me, but he earned it with final drive. That said, he had two throws that absolutely should've been picked, including the throw to Stover that would've ended the game. So he got a bit lucky to get more opportunities to win that game....but that's football. He showed grit against a tough opponent. I personally, don't see the ceiling of a Haskins or Stroud, but I see enough to make our offense very dangerous as he gains more experience.
I could go down the list and name guys like Chambers, Eich, Ransom, etc., but the above guys are the ones who stood out the most to me. It was a great team win, and guys stepped up when they needed to have it.
To those who question our short yardage play-calling, I'm mostly with you. When you have Chip and Miyan in the stable, the desire to overthink it, is a bit frustrating. We also see how the Eagles have revolutionized the QB sneak with the double push behind Hurts, and wonder why we don't just incorporate something similar. It shouldn't be this hard with the level of athletes we have. Day is a smart dude though, and I liked the look of a few sets we showed but only utilized sparingly (chip as off-set FB with Trey in I-formation). I think they'll make this a focus and we will see massive improvement by the end of the year in short yardage situations.
-Emeka Egbuka.....what a performance. His ability to create separation out of breaks, but also find soft spots in zone is really spectacular. You can tell he is McCord's "go-to" guy in tight situations which is amazing to think about when you've got Marv on the field as well. 7 receptions for 96 yards against that defense is pretty special.
-Cade Stover....can really see the full transition to TE. His chip blocking was extraordinary all night. He is a weapon on the field. Last year, blocking showed up a few times and was his Achilles heal (especially out in space). Kid is bringing it so far this year and it showed up in spades against ND.
-Chip Trayanum....only had 6 carries for 13 yards, but he adds a special element for this team when on field. Obviously, dropping the hammer from the 1 yard line to win game was huge, but he's really providing some unique looks to our offense. I still think it's a toss-up between who is the better RB between he and Henderson, but both are contributing a ton right now.
-TreyVeon Henderson.....have to give the kids props. He's so explosive. I think the way he and Chip compliment each-other is nearly perfect. Wouldn't mind more packages with them on the field together.
-Marvin Harrison Jr......statisically not his greatest game, but when you see how teams shade over to him, it makes sense how other guys get so open. The quick hits to Xaxivier, Stover, Fleming's crossing route, etc.....a lot of that is attributable to the "pull" Harrison has on the field.
-Tylik Williams......felt like of our defensive line, he was the guy most disruptive on this evening. He collapsed the pocket multiple times and until the second half, really controlled the run game well.
-JTT......I thought he was pretty quiet but man did he impact the game on the last true defensive possesion of the game. Swallowed up the QB zone read, and then nearly picked a screen pass. Those two plays are the reason we even had a chance to win.
-Davison Igbinosun......outside of one PI, kid was a terror out there. Both in run support and pass coverage. That's about as active as I've seen an OSU DB since Denzel Ward flying around laying the wood. We got a very good one here.
-Denzel Burke.....kind of a quiet game, but in a good way. I'm really liking where our secondary is at.
Kyle McCord.....this one is on fence for me, but he earned it with final drive. That said, he had two throws that absolutely should've been picked, including the throw to Stover that would've ended the game. So he got a bit lucky to get more opportunities to win that game....but that's football. He showed grit against a tough opponent. I personally, don't see the ceiling of a Haskins or Stroud, but I see enough to make our offense very dangerous as he gains more experience.
I could go down the list and name guys like Chambers, Eich, Ransom, etc., but the above guys are the ones who stood out the most to me. It was a great team win, and guys stepped up when they needed to have it.
To those who question our short yardage play-calling, I'm mostly with you. When you have Chip and Miyan in the stable, the desire to overthink it, is a bit frustrating. We also see how the Eagles have revolutionized the QB sneak with the double push behind Hurts, and wonder why we don't just incorporate something similar. It shouldn't be this hard with the level of athletes we have. Day is a smart dude though, and I liked the look of a few sets we showed but only utilized sparingly (chip as off-set FB with Trey in I-formation). I think they'll make this a focus and we will see massive improvement by the end of the year in short yardage situations.
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