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Game Thread Tostitos Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 34, Notre Dame 20 (final)

Rudy, NBC, BCS special treatment, etc...

??? Rudy was a movie, and not sanctioned in anyway by ND. Do you hate aTm for that ESPN movie two years ago?

ND went with NBC because the CBA was renegotiating TV contracts with conference heads only and not allowing any ND input.

ND has been BCS eligible four times. This is our second invite. Unlike the Big 10 who gets a guaranteed annually.



Back on the ND bandwagon of course...

Well with friends like that, who needs enemies?



I know that, but it is easy for Oregon to blame ND for a variety of reasons for their exclusion. Fair? No, but since you asked where the animosity comes from, I gave my thoughts. I never said I agree that this feeling is correct, but those are the standard reasons...

I'm telling you that the feeling is incorrect.
 
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I'm telling you that the feeling is incorrect.
Which is fine. I think you are misunderstanding me here. You asked for examples and I provided them. I do not agree with all of the premonitions surrounding ND, but I am giving you the reasoning for which you inquired. Rudy may not be sanctioned by ND in any way, but it did feed into the "mystique." That mystique is great if you are an Irish fan, but when you are a fan of another program, it is viewed as another way ND is placed on a pedestal.

You asked for an opinion....

Unlike the Big 10 who gets a guaranteed annually.
tell me one more time how ND qualifies for consideration please. That is where the problem lies in some folks' eyes.

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Posted this in the ND site thread also....thoughts?

I spoke with a good friend of mine who is a die hard and knowledgable ND fan. He said that quite frankly, our defense scares him. He believes they need to be able to run the ball to win, and Hawk and company will be keeping him awake at night.

We also discussed ND's D backs. 2 sophomore's and 2 juniors, most of which are fairly inexperienced. He feels that Holmes, Ginn, and Gonzo could have a field day...although we both agreed that Troy is going to have to be patient and find them.

Finally, he feels pretty comfortable that ND's recievers could do alright against our DB's. Their top 2 recievers are over 6 feet tall which we both agree could be to their advantage with Quinn's ability to throw the jump ball. We agreed that if we blitz them a lot, they could be in trouble (which is likely). He stated that Stanford blitzed damn near every play and were very successfull with it.

I told him that athleticly, I feel very confident that we are a better team. My only concern is that Charlie will have almost 4 weeks to put together a game plan. We tend to be very predictable, and he is known for picking apart defenses.

This is going to be a great great game! May the best team on Jan 2 win...and GO BUCKS!


for tOSU fans who have not seen alot of ND this year, I would offer you a few of the following expectations in regard to gameplanning. Weis is very adept at finding opposing teams weak spots. There are three Irish games (and hence gameplans) from this season which come to mind in preparation for tOSU.

1. vs. BYU ND threw a number of stand up and throw quick routes to Stovall and Smardzija in an attempt to isolate them with BYU's smaller, less physical DBs. Obviously Youboty, Everett and Jenkins are head and shoulders above the BYU DB's (I'm not disputing that), but I would expect this would be part of the gameplan as it is a perceived advantage.

2. vs. Tennessee ND ran 5 or 6 screens in the opening drive alone. Given the Buckeyes wealth of team speed and tendency to fly 11 to the ball, I would expect alot of this as well in an attempt to "run" the ball without having to hand it off in front of AJ, Schlegel, et al.

3. vs. USC ND used alot of Travis Thomas (he is the #2 TB and considered more of a power back than Darius Walker) to hammer away in the middle, gaining 2 or 3 yards a carry, as well as spreading out the Trojan defense (5 wide, empty backfield) and using Quinn to run the ball. This accomplished holding the ball for an extended period of time, keeping it out of the hands of the USC offense, which should be a priority vs. tOSU as well. Additionally ND attempted a number of fades and similar deep routes to Stovall and Smardzija when USC went to press coverage in an attempt to utilize their height, etc.

I would imagine some combination of those three gameplans would make sense vs. tOSU. Of course Heacock knows this, and Weis knows that Heacock knows this, so feel free to throw it all out the window.

One point I don't think I've seen anyone mention is that ND catches a pretty huge break (no pun intended) if Carpenter is not back by the bowl game.

On the other side of the ball...I'll agree with the post above and say it all comes down to the play of Troy.
 
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Care to elaborate?

Yeah. I don't want a 12th team, divisional play, and that conference championship game bullcrap. If there was ever a lead-pipe lock argument against divisional play and conference championship games, yesterday was it. And please don't suggest dropping a team from the conference. People who bring that up are idiots.

ND would bring a lot to the table, but I think their addition (or the addition of any other team) would take a lot away as well.
 
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Which is fine. I think you are misunderstanding me here. You asked for examples and I provided them. I do not agree with all of the promonitions surrounding ND, but I am giving you the reasoning for which you inquired. Rudy may not be sanctioned by ND in any way, but it did feed into the "mystique." That mystique is great if you are an Irish fan, but when you are a fan of another program, it is viewed as another way ND is placed on a pedestal.

You asked for an opinion....

Actually, I asked what it was that could pertpetuate equal hatred for ND vs Michigan......with the assumption that it was a rivalry the likes of which could not be equalled. All I got was the same cliche's and half-truths that I could read on any board from San Diego St. to Syracuse.

This discussion is taking a turn that I didn't intend. I came here to discuss the bowl game, not take on the entire forum for every anecdotal slight about Notre Dame.


tell me one more time how ND qualifies for consideration please.
That is where the problem lies in some folks' eyes.[/quote]

ND qualifies with nine wins and a top 12 ranking.....same as every team.

If I'm not mistaken, this has happend four times. Tonight makes the 2nd time we've actually been selected.


The only "special" clause regarding ND's eligibility is that we are guaranteed a spot if we are ranked in the top 10 and a non-BCS team is ranked in the top six.

This has never happened. I don't understand this clause and would just as soon see it deleted. It has as much chance of happening as pigs learning to fly, and does nothing but rile up bitterness towards ND.
 
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Yeah. I don't want a 12th team, divisional play, and that conference championship game bullcrap. If there was ever a lead-pipe lock argument against divisional play and conference championship games, yesterday was it. And please don't suggest dropping a team from the conference. People who bring that up are idiots.

ND would bring a lot to the table, but I think their addition (or the addition of any other team) would take a lot away as well.

There you go. Nice to see you posting some substance. Lately, you seem to be doing more trolling.
 
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Actually, I asked what it was that could pertpetuate equal hatred for ND vs Michigan......with the assumption that it was a rivalry the likes of which could not be equalled. All I got was the same cliche's and half-truths that I could read on any board from San Diego St. to Syracuse.

This discussion is taking a turn that I didn't intend. I came here to discuss the bowl game, not take on the entire forum for every anecdotal slight about Notre Dame.

Fair enough. Trust me, after the past few years, tOSU fans know enough about half-truths and cliches.

Back to the game...
 
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Agreed about the Big Ten. You truly don't think money is what has prevented it to this point? Only asking.


I think money is exactly what has prevented it. I mean, as long as NBC is willing to pay millions to televise a handful of games...why join a conference which negotiates television contracts for all the teams? No reason to opt for a piece of a pie when you can have your own.
 
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Agreed about the Big Ten. You truly don't think money is what has prevented it to this point? Only asking.

Certainly $$$ is one of the big, if not biggest issues. But there are others that are certainly as compelling.

First and foremost, alumni support. The $hit really hit the fan when it was broken that our AD was talking with the Big Ten. We like playing the national schedule, and want to maintain the "identity" that ND has via independence.

Also, Big Ten membership isn't just athletic, it also requires academic membership in the CIC (Committee on Institutional Cooperation), which will no doubt enhance ND's graduate status, but many fear will harm our undergraduate programs.
 
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