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Title Game: Butler +7.5 vs Duke (ov/un 128.5) 9:15 ET, CBS

TGfan06;1686596; said:
That the toughest team they played was WVU without their starting PG? and D. Butler for the last 6 minutes?

That same WVU (minus Bryant) team handled Kentucky.

More importantly, Duke was up 15 when Butler left the game and as well as Duke rebounded this tournament, I think WVU would have had a nearly impossible road coming back. I don't see how that injury is relevant to that game.
 
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TheRob8801;1686595; said:
Wow, guys.

Classy posts, all of 'em.

So proud of our guys. Hard fought. Well earned.

Had to beat the crowd, the refs, the outstanding Butler players...and I think a little bit of destiny!

So proud...what a team tournament.

Thanks for all the great memories!

I'll see all you folks when the Spring game rolls around!


I saw this commercial and thought it would be perfect for you.

zungz-the worlds first shoe tongue covers(play the little display video).
 
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TheRob8801;1686595; said:
I'll see all you folks when the Spring game rolls around!

You promised us November?

What's the matter? Worried your Chicago Bulls aren't going the make the NBA playoffs?

Or did your Yankees loss last night make you think it's going to be a long Spring?
 
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I only got to watch about the last 5 minutes of the game but my favorite play that I saw came near the end. Zoubek elbowed Howard right in the face and took him down on a rebound(oddly there was no foul). Mack responds by shoving Zoubek to the ground while he was wrestling for the ball with another Butler guy and the ball somehow bounced off his foot before going out of bounds. Is Zoubek allowed to damn near trip Hayward like he did after getting the rebound at the end or do you think they would have called it if Hayward would have fallen to the ground? How fitting would it have been if Hayward could have banked that shot in before the buzzer? It definitely would have capped of one of the craziest tourny's I have ever seen.

Hats off to Duke for winning the championship, outside of Meatchicken I can't think of a team I hate worse. Fuck Dook.
 
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I will look up the rest tomorrow... but off the top of my head:

Kansas, UCONN, Kentucky, Indiana > Baylor, WVU, Purdue, Butler?

I am just asking you to name an easier path to a title? I know it won't change the results, but it makes me feel a little better.
And I'm asking you to remember the paths other champions took. The fact that you can't remember proves that it doesn't matter. You're not going to remember in 10 years how easy their path was.
 
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mross34;1686615; said:
Anyone who's saying dukes title was anything less than deserved needs to reassess the situation

OK, let's reassess.

To win the title, Duke played

#16 Arkansas Pine-Bluff,

A team with an 18-16 record and who had to win the play-in game. The worst of all #16 seeds.


A team that a lot of people thought might not even make the tournament after losing the Pac-10 tournament final. The worst #8 seed.

#4 Purdue (much better with Kramer filling in for Hummel than anyone anticipated),

Purdue was maybe a #2 with Hummel. Without him, let's be honest--they were probably a #7 seed or so. Go back and watch the Minnesota game in the BTT. So I think by far Purdue was the worst #4 seed. And, by the way, Kramer was starting all year, so I'm not sure what you mean by "Kramer filling in for Hummel."

#3 Baylor (the team that impressed me the most in the tournament),

Why did they impress you most? They were about the only team in the tournament with an easier path than Duke. They beat Sam Houston State, Old Dominion, and St. Marys. Those three wins are not impressive. Oh yeah, they also fell apart like a cheap suit the first time they were in a tight situation in the tournament. Maybe they weren't the worst #3 seed (NM was pretty weak, IMO), but this wasn't a traditional tough team that you see as a #3 seed--and Duke was lucky not to face a better team to go to the Final Four.

#2 WVU (a team most thought was deserving of duke's #1 seed and many had in the title game),

Yeah, a team that most thought was deserving of a #1...back when they, you know, actually had their starting point guard. Are you really trying to say that doesn't change anything? I don't remember Nolan Smith going down due to injury for Duke.

and #5 Butler.

Butler played with a ton of heart, and played a really tough game. However, they were pretty overmatched size-wise in that game. Certainly, as far as national championship games go, I think Duke got pretty lucky having to face Butler in the NC game.
 
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buckeyesin07;1686651; said:
OK, let's reassess.

A team with an 18-16 record and who had to win the play-in game. The worst of all #16 seeds.

A team that a lot of people thought might not even make the tournament after losing the Pac-10 tournament final. The worst #8 seed.

Purdue was maybe a #2 with Hummel. Without him, let's be honest--they were probably a #7 seed or so. Go back and watch the Minnesota game in the BTT. So I think by far Purdue was the worst #4 seed. And, by the way, Kramer was starting all year, so I'm not sure what you mean by "Kramer filling in for Hummel."

Why did they impress you most? They were about the only team in the tournament with an easier path than Duke. They beat Sam Houston State, Old Dominion, and St. Marys. Those three wins are not impressive. Oh yeah, they also fell apart like a cheap suit the first time they were in a tight situation in the tournament. Maybe they weren't the worst #3 seed (NM was pretty weak, IMO), but this wasn't a traditional tough team that you see as a #3 seed--and Duke was lucky not to face a better team to go to the Final Four.

Yeah, a team that most thought was deserving of a #1...back when they, you know, actually had their starting point guard. Are you really trying to say that doesn't change anything? I don't remember Nolan Smith going down due to injury for Duke.

Butler played with a ton of heart, and played a really tough game. However, they were pretty overmatched size-wise in that game. Certainly, as far as national championship games go, I think Duke got pretty lucky having to face Butler in the NC game.

On the other hand Duke didn't lose to Butler - Michigan State did.
Duke didn't loose to Northern Iowa, Kansas did.
Duke didn't lose to Butler - Syracuse did
Duke didn't lose to Tennessee, Ohio State did.
Duke didn't lose to West Virginia, Kentucky did.

Like it or not, (and I don't like it) they won the games they were suppossed to win.
 
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If Howard didn't have that ridiculous Adam Morrison-wannabe mustache, Butler would have won. The basketball gods will not allow a player with facial hair that bad win a ring.

Also, expect a report of a Dick Vitale heart attack at some point today. No man his age can masturbate furiously into a sock for that long and expect his ticker not to rebel.
 
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cincibuck;1686669; said:
On the other hand Duke didn't lose to Butler - Michigan State did.
Duke didn't loose to Northern Iowa, Kansas did.
Duke didn't lose to Butler - Syracuse did
Duke didn't lose to Tennessee, Ohio State did.
Duke didn't lose to West Virginia, Kentucky did.

Like it or not, (and I don't like it) they won the games they were suppossed to win.

Good point.
 
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TGfan06;1686586; said:
Ding me.... I hope the Duke plane crashes on the way back.... Get them all to hell faster. Doing the world a favor
I understand that most Buckeye fans (and non-Duke fans in general) have some sort of pantybunch disease when it comes to the Blue Devils, but the absolute hatred is truly baffling. I'm not clear on what it is exactly about Duke that makes normally rational people into rabid fucking assholes.
 
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