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Tim Tebow (Blessed)

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WolverineMike;1963558; said:
heard on the radio today that TT had been demoted to taking ALL snaps with the second string. No reps with the first team. Is neck and neck with Brady Quinn for the backup roll.

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I'm not surprised that he is not performing better than Orton, given their respective experience with training camps in general, or running the Bronco offense. It would be astounding if he did not. Tim may be their future, but they are sticking with Orton.

Orton has a rep as a great stat and camp guy who flops in pressure situations. Tim - at UF - had a rep as iffy practice guy who always did much better in games, just like Brantley lights it up in practice and seems to freeze in games.

If they let Tim play in pre-season and he holds a clip board this year, I would personally be happier than if he was the starter. I think in general it is easier to ruin a kid by starting him than by letting him progress. I have no idea what Tim makes, compared to Quinn, and I doubt Tim is worth much in a trade at this time.
 
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Buckeye Nut;1963553; said:
Former Dolphins tight end that wore #11?
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Yep. "Crash" played wide receiver, tight end, fullback and was a special teams player. He came into the league as a quarterback, but they drafted Marino.

I don't see Tebow as a successful starting quarterback in the NFL. I could see him as a "lines up everywhere" type. They need too much help out there to not put one of their best athletes on the field-just not at quarterback.
 
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Gatorubet;1963579; said:
Orton has a rep as a great stat and camp guy who flops in pressure situations.
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Not an avid follower of Orton nor Denver, but I've never heard/read this. To me, it seems as though he's outperformed expectations considering that the Bears were the ones who were supposed to have won out on the Cutler-Orton deal.

Maintaining a mid-80s QB rating ain't all that bad either, but like you said, "great stat".
 
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Crump's brother;1963582; said:
I don't see Tebow as a successful starting quarterback in the NFL. I could see him as a "lines up everywhere" type. They need too much help out there to not put one of their best athletes on the field-just not at quarterback.
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Yep. Look at what happened with Kordell Stewart when he quit being "slash" and was just a QB.
 
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Reading Football Outsiders Four Downs: AFC West piece today and I saw this in the comments section and couldn't help but laugh. It seems kind of familiar, especially the part about Tebow the guy probably being ok but the fan is sick of the media hype and christian nut jobs already.

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by sundown (not verified) :: Mon, 08/08/2011 - 7:00pm
"If the Broncos do the right thing and go with Orton..."
It seems like they will at least to begin with, but unless Tebow is a total disaster in preseason and practice, he's going to get a long look just so they can decide whether to fish or cut bait.
Living in Denver, the whole Tebow thing has been fascinating. I've never seen a more polarizing force before. On the boards you've got people who think Orton is the worst QB in the league and that Tebow is getting shafted by not being name starter already. And the groundwork is being laid to explain why Tebow isn't going to start without having to admit he might not be good enough. I just read a guy explaining that Bowlen had secretly told Elway that Orton had to start because they weren't paying him a starter's salary to ride the pine. And a self-professed Christian who's blaming it on anti-Christian bias...in the same post where the totally defames Brady Quinn, who also happens be a Christian. Lots of whackos out there.

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by Fielding Melish (not verified) :: Mon, 08/08/2011 - 9:25pm
Yep, I live in Denver, too, and this whole trumped-up 'controversy' is already making me nauseous. No matter what some people may think of Orton, he is so clearly the best option for the Broncos, and yet there are people who are adamant that Tebow is...say it with me...'a proven winner', that of course he must be given the job even though there is literally no evidence that he should be given the job beyond the fact that he sells a lot of jerseys. I, particularly, find this all quite grotesque because Tebow's staunchest supporters are the sort of people who claim any criticism of Him is because they 'hate christians', even though the vast majority of Tebow's supporters have probably never seen him play football but are either Focus on the Family members, or 15-year old girls who wish he was their boyfriend. I've got no beef with Tebow the person, as he seems like a decent guy, but, as a Broncos fan and Denver native, I really wish that they had never drafted the guy. I'm guessing that Elway and Fox, although they'd never say it, are thinking the same thing.

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muffler dragon;1963742; said:
Not an avid follower of Orton nor Denver, but I've never heard/read this. To me, it seems as though he's outperformed expectations considering that the Bears were the ones who were supposed to have won out on the Cutler-Orton deal.

Maintaining a mid-80s QB rating ain't all that bad either, but like you said, "great stat".
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Me neither Muff, but the Bronco board stats guys have this third down and 4th quarter stat-fest they like to use to show that Orton folds (or under-performs) in those situations. The inference one draws from that is entirely partisan, of course.
 
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Gatorubet;1967294; said:
Me neither Muff, but the Bronco board stats guys have this third down and 4th quarter stat-fest they like to use to show that Orton folds (or under-performs) in those situations. The inference one draws from that is entirely partisan, of course.
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Their weakness on offense as I understand it was in the red zone due to no legit running threat. There is no way you can use Tebow better than to give him a run pass option in that spot imo.

Of course it becomes obvious that's what he's in there to do but whatever, they still have to stop it. All ball busting aside I don't think the kids ever going to be a full time NFL QB, but there is no reason he can't be a RZ weapon right now.

On top of that the Bronco organization needs to consider that his running style lends itself to injury so he's a ticking time bomb in that regard anyway. His FB mentality will take over on any given play and he'll lower his shoulder with the wrong guy and that's all she wrote. He's a big guy but no one looks for contact with NFL defenders for very long.

If I'm the Bronco's GM Tebow would be a RZ/short yardage wildcatin', jersey sellin', Christian marketin' SOB until he gets plastered.
 
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http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/2011-nfl-preseason
However, Thursday night, Tebow lived up to his reputation as a better game-day
player than a practice player. Playing with the second string, Tebow completed
6 of 7 pass attempts for 91 yards against Dallas. He completed his first five pass
attempts. Denver scored two field goals on four drives with Tebow on the field.

His highlight was a 43-yard beauty to Matthew Willis. Tebow did have an interception
overturned by a penalty and he had a dose of the happy feet at times. Tebow had a
touchdown run nullified by a penalty and he had a 13-yard run.
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Looked so-so. The second string line is bad. Real bad. But he hit a nice 43 yard strike on the button, and showed his famous mobility. The lock out hurt his development for sure. Orton was his usual workmanlike self with the first string line. Quinn looked really good following Tebow. IOW, there is no change, Orton at #1, with Tim and Quinn battling for backup.
 
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One of the biggest problems is that Tebow's skill set is so different from the usual NFL QB that no one really knows how to rate him. Honestly, I've heard so many comments that "he can't make all the throws" that I'm sick of hearing them. Whenever he plays he seems to win. What the fuck else is really required?
 
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MaxBuck;1968749; said:
One of the biggest problems is that Tebow's skill set is so different from the usual NFL QB that no one really knows how to rate him. Honestly, I've heard so many comments that "he can't make all the throws" that I'm sick of hearing them. Whenever he plays he seems to win. What the fuck else is really required?
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Making all the throws.
 
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