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3yardsandacloud
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Well, I'm supposed to write some type of explanatory post here. Not an easy chore considering the amount of history that could be covered. I'll try to keep it brief.
Tibor75 was banned for a 3rd (and final) time several months ago. Discussions on the topic began almost immediately afterwards. Those discussions continued off-and-on right up until this post was made by osugrad21. Generally speaking, the staff was concerned that Tibor75 was (or was not) given the full measure of consideration that the new Warning System was supposed to grant our members. This falls into 2 categories. Did Tibor75 receive the appropriate number of warnings before his permanent banning? And, were the warnings received appropriate for his actions? Truth be told, there isn't really a good answer to those questions.
Tibor75's first banning came before our Warning System was in place at BuckeyePlanet. His last banning came shortly after the Warning System was in place at BuckeyePlanet. There is no real way of knowing whether or not Tibor75 received the proper amount of warnings. For certain, he didn't receive the proper number of warnings required by the new system ... it wasn't in place for part of the time. It's just as hard to tell if he received the appropriate warnings (and their associated 'points') as those were being altered/modified to fit our needs at the time. A last consideration was our (meaning the staff at BP) lack of experience with the new Warning System. This was evident when a third active warning triggered to system to permanently ban Tibor75. Quite a surprise to everyone involved I can assure you. Everyone assumed that reaching a point total of 100 was the only way to trigger a ban. In actuality, 3 active (not expired) warnings will trigger a ban as well. The 3rd banning triggers a permanent ban from the site.
So we were left with a quagmire. Clarity's preoccupation with software upgrades and patches didn't speed along the process nor did his absence at times due to health issues. I think even more to the point he didn't want to be seen as overturning any of the decisions made by the staff. While some questions were raised by the whole incident, there was also the belief that no individual actions taken were unwarranted. So while technically the banning was probably justified, it didn't seem consistent with the 'spirit' of the new Warning System. Many points were debated and many conversations undertaken and in the end two main points emerged. Do we stick with the original decision and let the whole issue slide into obscurity with time? Or do we err on the side of leniency and extend another chance to Tibor75?
To be sure, the first option would have been easier for all involved (except Tibor75). Quite honestly (in typical 'brutally honest BP fashion'), letting Tibor75 return opens us up to the impression of being 'weak' in our convictions. It leaves a little bit of egg on our faces for not having a full grasp of the Warning System. It would have been much easier on the ego to simply ban all the users we knew were Tibor75 and the ones we suspected were him. But that has never been the way we operate at BuckeyePlanet. All of the administrators decided that the possibility of some 'egg' on our faces was worth it for the sake of our integrity at BuckeyePlanet. Will Tibor75 make it this time around? That is his decision to make. I have no doubt there will be some 'trying' times down the road, but there is also the possibility of better days to come.
Tibor75 was banned for a 3rd (and final) time several months ago. Discussions on the topic began almost immediately afterwards. Those discussions continued off-and-on right up until this post was made by osugrad21. Generally speaking, the staff was concerned that Tibor75 was (or was not) given the full measure of consideration that the new Warning System was supposed to grant our members. This falls into 2 categories. Did Tibor75 receive the appropriate number of warnings before his permanent banning? And, were the warnings received appropriate for his actions? Truth be told, there isn't really a good answer to those questions.
Tibor75's first banning came before our Warning System was in place at BuckeyePlanet. His last banning came shortly after the Warning System was in place at BuckeyePlanet. There is no real way of knowing whether or not Tibor75 received the proper amount of warnings. For certain, he didn't receive the proper number of warnings required by the new system ... it wasn't in place for part of the time. It's just as hard to tell if he received the appropriate warnings (and their associated 'points') as those were being altered/modified to fit our needs at the time. A last consideration was our (meaning the staff at BP) lack of experience with the new Warning System. This was evident when a third active warning triggered to system to permanently ban Tibor75. Quite a surprise to everyone involved I can assure you. Everyone assumed that reaching a point total of 100 was the only way to trigger a ban. In actuality, 3 active (not expired) warnings will trigger a ban as well. The 3rd banning triggers a permanent ban from the site.
So we were left with a quagmire. Clarity's preoccupation with software upgrades and patches didn't speed along the process nor did his absence at times due to health issues. I think even more to the point he didn't want to be seen as overturning any of the decisions made by the staff. While some questions were raised by the whole incident, there was also the belief that no individual actions taken were unwarranted. So while technically the banning was probably justified, it didn't seem consistent with the 'spirit' of the new Warning System. Many points were debated and many conversations undertaken and in the end two main points emerged. Do we stick with the original decision and let the whole issue slide into obscurity with time? Or do we err on the side of leniency and extend another chance to Tibor75?
To be sure, the first option would have been easier for all involved (except Tibor75). Quite honestly (in typical 'brutally honest BP fashion'), letting Tibor75 return opens us up to the impression of being 'weak' in our convictions. It leaves a little bit of egg on our faces for not having a full grasp of the Warning System. It would have been much easier on the ego to simply ban all the users we knew were Tibor75 and the ones we suspected were him. But that has never been the way we operate at BuckeyePlanet. All of the administrators decided that the possibility of some 'egg' on our faces was worth it for the sake of our integrity at BuckeyePlanet. Will Tibor75 make it this time around? That is his decision to make. I have no doubt there will be some 'trying' times down the road, but there is also the possibility of better days to come.
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
In my opinion (which equals half of a hill of beans), I don't think permanent banning or banning of any kind should apply to Tibor or anyone who has been a long time contributor and contributes a lot to this community. Whether you think his schtick is funny or not, the bottom line is, Tibor should get way more leeway on this site than other short-timers who just come on to say stupid shit.
Tibor gives and takes. He's an agitator. That's who he is. Or, with regards to Roger Moore, SalaciusBCrumb, WestPABuck, et al., that's who THEY are. Do the people who posted goats and Slurpees get warnings too? No way. And that should be the way to police his behavior.
Whether you like him or not, Tibor's absence from this site takes something away. Just like Mili-Clarity-Tibor-etc.'s absence took a lot away from Bucknuts.
When Clarity made this site, the idea was that the people ARE BP. Has Tibor been a huge part of BP? Of course .. whether its agitating, or taking it himself. I can't imagine that any other poster on this board has more threads about him in the history of this forum than Tibbs.
And lets face it: does anyone want the "NEW" behaved Tibor? In all the years I used to post on Bucknuts and now BP, I think I've seen approximately 0 posts from him, Salacious, or Roger that included any substance or analysis regarding football, or anything else for that matter. He is a forum agitator with a lot of aliases. Take that away, and what have you got?
Granted, Tibor has crossed the line on occasion. And that type of stuff should be policed. I have no idea what happened to cause these bannings, although I do remember Tibbs (under a different alias) manipulating some newbie to send him $20 or something a long time ago on Bustnuts (maybe I'm mistaken). That type of stuff shouldn't happen, and shouldn't be allowed to happen.
But, I don't think the same 'straight-line' approach is applicable to all the users in this forum. I say, take the warnings away, and let him do his thing. At the end of the day, is it really hurting any of us?
Tibor gives and takes. He's an agitator. That's who he is. Or, with regards to Roger Moore, SalaciusBCrumb, WestPABuck, et al., that's who THEY are. Do the people who posted goats and Slurpees get warnings too? No way. And that should be the way to police his behavior.
Whether you like him or not, Tibor's absence from this site takes something away. Just like Mili-Clarity-Tibor-etc.'s absence took a lot away from Bucknuts.
When Clarity made this site, the idea was that the people ARE BP. Has Tibor been a huge part of BP? Of course .. whether its agitating, or taking it himself. I can't imagine that any other poster on this board has more threads about him in the history of this forum than Tibbs.
And lets face it: does anyone want the "NEW" behaved Tibor? In all the years I used to post on Bucknuts and now BP, I think I've seen approximately 0 posts from him, Salacious, or Roger that included any substance or analysis regarding football, or anything else for that matter. He is a forum agitator with a lot of aliases. Take that away, and what have you got?
Granted, Tibor has crossed the line on occasion. And that type of stuff should be policed. I have no idea what happened to cause these bannings, although I do remember Tibbs (under a different alias) manipulating some newbie to send him $20 or something a long time ago on Bustnuts (maybe I'm mistaken). That type of stuff shouldn't happen, and shouldn't be allowed to happen.
But, I don't think the same 'straight-line' approach is applicable to all the users in this forum. I say, take the warnings away, and let him do his thing. At the end of the day, is it really hurting any of us?
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The Michigan Insiders forum is OK. You can link to there through Bucknuts.
I'm banned from there though since the day we took their board over.
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