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This ought to get some heads rolling...

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by vrbryant, Apr 29, 2004.

  1. vrbryant

    vrbryant Ever thus to ____ers Staff Member

    For the record, I'd like to find this guy and gut him with a power tool. Debating the semantics of the word 'hero' and the appropriateness of its use in this situation is one thing. Openly shitting on a guy who made an incredible sacrifice to serve his country - for whatever purpose - is just asking to get your shit kicked in.
    UMass grad student: Tillman's not a hero news services

    AMHERST, Mass. -- A University of Massachusetts student has openly criticized Pat Tillman, calling the former NFL player a Rambo-like idiot in the school paper.

    The column in question was submitted by graduate student Rene Gonzalez and published Wednesday in the Daily Collegian. It was titled "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what was coming to him."

    Gonzalez writes that Tillman was a "Rambo" who probably acted out of "nationalist patriotic fantasies." In his own neighborhood in Puerto Rico, according to Gonzalez, Tillman would not have been considered a hero, but a "pendejo," or idiot.

    The column drew harsh criticism from many on campus. University president Jack Wilson says the op-ed piece was "disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature."

    Tillman, who gave up his NFL career to join the Army Rangers in 2002, was killed in combat one week ago in Afghanistan. The military announced on Wednesday that he has been posthumously promoted to the rank of corporal and awarded the Purple Heart and Meritorious Service Medal.

    "You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the 'real' thick of things," Gonzalez writes in his column, which is posted on the collegiate paper's Web site. "I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life 'Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed.'"

    Gonzalez also says that Tillman's service was not "necessary."

    "It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable," Gonzalez writes. "What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his 'service' was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in."

    In a letter to its readers Thursday, the Daily Collegian says Gonzalez' opinion in no way reflects that of the newspaper's editorial board. A column by one of the editors praising Tillman's sacrifice ran in the paper next to the one by Gonzalez.

    "We do not hold back from printing news stories, columns or editorials that may upset our readership -- instead, we seek to both inform and stir debate through our publication," the letter, also posted on the Web site, reads. "Our decision to publish Gonzalez's column -- an opinion piece written by a member of our campus community -- is the only way for us to live up to this ideal."

    Tillman will be eulogized at a public memorial service in his hometown of San Jose, Calif., early next week, and funeral arrangements are pending.

    The body of Tillman arrived at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Monday. His brother, Spc. Kevin Tillman, also a Ranger with the 2nd Battalion of the 75th Ranger Regiment, was expected to accompany the body to the funeral home, Lawrence said.

    Tillman was killed in a firefight on a road near Sperah, about 25 miles southwest of a U.S. base at Khost.

    After coming under fire, Tillman's patrol got out of their vehicles and gave chase, moving toward the spot of the ambush. Beevers said the fighting was "sustained" and lasted 15-20 minutes.

    The Cardinals said they will retire Tillman's No. 40 and name the plaza surrounding the new stadium under construction in suburban Glendale the "Pat Tillman Freedom Plaza."
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2004
  2. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    My Pendejo Gonzelez should take his unappreciative ass back Puerto Spico where it belongs.
  3. Nixon

    Nixon Wears Scarlet-colored glasses

    Does this asshole even know that Tillman was fighting in Afgahnistan, a country from which the cold blooded murder of over 3000 Americans was orchestrated and tolerated by the government? I'm sorry, there are some people who if they get killed in a terror attack I will not feel sorry for at all when they are so wonton about the murder of their fellow citizens.
  4. USCemper

    USCemper The bicycle thief

    I have read this trash a little earlier on the USC board and I had to take two prozacs just to calm down.

    Regardless of what someone's opinions might be regarding the Administration policies in some of these far-away places, Pat Tillman is a true American hero who should be respected, glorified and revered by all Americans.

    I wish I could put my hands on this son of a b---h, but I guess he is just a gutless coward. Screw him.
  5. gbearbuck

    gbearbuck Herbie for President

    Did you expect anything else from a person in Massachusetts... they also have Ted Kennedy :crazy:
  6. ekeen

    ekeen Banned

  7. bucknut74

    bucknut74 You Enjoy Myself

    UMass apology

    To our readers:

    April 29, 2004

    In yesterday's Editorial/Opinion section of The Massachusetts Daily Collegian, a column titled "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what was coming to him" appeared. In the piece, graduate student Rene Gonzalez wrote about the death of former NFL player and Army Ranger Pat Tillman, who was killed during a skirmish in Afghanistan last Friday.

    A flood of feedback has poured in, nearly all of which is harsh criticism of either Gonzalez's words or of The Collegian's decision to run the column. In fact, reader response has been so great that we would like to take this opportunity to respond to our readers.

    Rene Gonzalez is a graduate student at the University of Massachusetts who occasionally submits columns to The Collegian. While his views in no way reflect the opinion of our editorial board or staff, we base our decisions not on whether we agree with the opinion of students submitting opinion pieces, but on the backbone of journalism: The First Amendment.

    As a news organization, The Collegian lists the First Amendment as its most important value and asset. We do not hold back from printing news stories, columns or editorials that may upset our readership - instead, we seek to both inform and stir debate through our publication. Our decision to publish Gonzalez's column - an opinion piece written by a member of our campus community - is the only way for us to live up to this ideal.

    One of the most important points that we at The Collegian want to stress to our readers is the nature of the Editorial/Opinion page. Not one columnist or student's opinion printed on our page represents that of the paper at large. Gonzalez's opinion is his own, and it runs under our pages as a single voice on our campus. The Editorial/Opinion page is designed to give a wide variety of students a chance to speak through a large-scale medium. With that comes the possibility of discourse and disagreement, and that is an accepted reality for us.

    We would also like to draw attention to the fact that The Collegian has reported and commented on Tillman's death, and life, on a number of occasions in the last few days. Two columns written by editors on our staff have been published in praise of Tillman's life and his willingness to sacrifice it for what he believed in, including one column that ran on the page next to Gonzalez's. This was done intentionally, to display to our readers that we do not publish any opinion piece with more favor than any other - instead, we adhered to one of our missions: to create discussion, with dialogue on the merits of each argument.

    The opinion of Gonzalez, though it dissented from that of the other two columns, deserved its space within the debate. Through the Web site feedback, phone calls and e-mails we have received, it has become very obvious to us at The Collegian that Gonzalez's opinion has caused a lot of controversy and frustration. We cannot, however, compromise the mission of our publication for the sake of ensuring the constant happiness of our readership. Gonzalez has just as much right to the opinion he presented as anyone else does, and we at The Collegian hope that this incident will foster a relationship with our readers that shows we are open to all opinions, not only the ones many people agree with.

    We welcome all feedback on the issue, and hope that this represents growth in our relationship with you, the readers.


    The Massachusetts Daily Collegian Editorial Board
  8. Nixon

    Nixon Wears Scarlet-colored glasses

    Pathetic. Everybody has a right to say what they want, but that doesn't mean a paper has to print it. Nobody has a right to be heard. If I send a letter to the editor of a paper, they are not compelled to print it. The editors of the paper knew when they published this what the reaction would be and that's exactly what they wanted...themselves all over the news.
  9. DEBuckeye

    DEBuckeye It ain't easy, bein' cheesy.

    rene gonzalez = total asshole

    What a tool- "he wasn't defending me"; yeah, if you're living in America, which is currently under the threat of terrorist attack, he is defending you. Even though you're an asshole, he's defending you.

    In gonzalez's neighborhood they'd consider Tillman an "idiot"? My guess is that in gonzalez's neighborhood, Tillman would be the only one not sitting on his lazy ass doing nothing.

    I agree with Mili- go the f**k back to Puerto Rico if you don't like what's happening here.
  10. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Asshole needs to first pay some taxes in order to have a valid opinion. From Puerto Rico, enjoys the benefits of freedom of speech provided by the protection of the United States then drills a man who selflessly defended those rights? This piece of garbage needs to spend a few weeks in North Korea
  11. gbearbuck

    gbearbuck Herbie for President

    Mili and DE,

    Only problem is even if he does go back to P.R. the US is still defending him... P.R. is a US territory, they even have non voting folks in congress (can talk/discuss, just no vote)....
  12. FCollinsBuckeye

    FCollinsBuckeye Senior Former Game Champion

    What a jackass. I predict a follow up to this story in a few weeks reporting the harassment this guy will get from the campus community...
  13. Thump

    Thump Hating the environment since 1994

    Rene Gonzales is now the officially the most hated "man", and I use that term quite loosely, in America. Behind Tibor that is.

    I wonder how many death threats this dipshit has gotten already. I can guarantee you not enough!!:mad1:
  14. Nixon

    Nixon Wears Scarlet-colored glasses

    There are some websites where you can read this kind of crap too. Like Sick stuff.
  15. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    id love to see that pathetic piece of bile get locked in a small room with tillman's surviving brother for about 20 minutes.......any guesses as to how long the army ranger would take to make rene gonzalez scream like the woman he is....

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