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The Polls (AP, Coaches, & CFP, etc.)

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Hstead said:
Not to mention the fact that Bama and Uga played a schedule that most cheer squads could have handled.
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Play a bad schedule?

SEC: Minor issue if mentioned at all (UGA 18, AL 17)
B12/P12: Clear reason to exclude (BAY 14, TCU 14, P12 forever)

Lose to your only high level opponents, but have the talent to do better with extra chances?

SEC: You're in (AL 17... and UGA came close)
REST: Sorry (OSU 15, etc)

Play a bad OOC schedule?

SEC: Not even a talking point
REST: Hang it around their neck and toss them off a cliff

...etc
 
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BigWoof31 said:
Serious, non-trolling question. Does it really matter?
Do you want to swap with us and play in NoLa and send us to California?

Isn't your gripe more with Oklahoma than Georgia?
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For me, it's not so much that it's Georgia... it's that it's a 2 loss non conference champion being set ahead of a 1 loss P5 conference champion. The committee said there was not much separation between 4 and 6. If that's true, and conference championships matter, then OSU should have been over UGA at 5. The argument should have been Ohio State or OU, and .. you know.. if OU won that argument, so be it.. at least there's an internal consistency... but.. in placing a 2 loss non conference champ ahead of a one loss conference champ... the committee has proven OSU was never really in the discussion and conference championships don't matter one bit.
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
I just don’t know how anyone watching this Buckeye team for the whole season can think they are a playoff team.

In spite of some real flaws, this team is playing in the Rose Bowl. Seems right to me.
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Not saying this is what you believe, but I will never understand how a fan will say that his/her team did not deserve a shot. Northwestern lost to Akron. AKRON! - and they had a shot to play in the Rose Bowl at the end of the season. I will never write my team off.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
I would agree with this, but don't forget that we pay close attention to the Buckeyes and are fully aware of their deficiencies in a way that we're not with other teams. As horrific as the OSU defense has been, OU's defense makes it look elite. And the OSU offense, despite the so-so running game, is 2d in the national in total offense and 7th in scoring offense. Also, excluding one horrid quarter, they did scrap and find a way to win. Unlike some others, I actually don't question their heart (their brains are a whole 'nother story).

Anyway, my point is while I don't think they don't have the consistency or football IQ (especially on defense) to be objectively elite, if there is such a thing, grading on the curve of college football generally I think that they're essentially equivalent to OU. And two-loss Georgia being ranked ahead of them is ridiculous.
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Likewise, OU put up it's offensive numbers against other ridiculously weak defenses. Which is to say, yes, OU has a great offense.. but.. how great, really, are they? I mean, I'm pretty sure OSU would shred Kansas too.... But, I'm not so sure OU rips scUM apart and shits them out. Maybe they do... I dont know.. but.. I DO KNOW that Ohio State did.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Likewise, OU put up it's offensive numbers against other ridiculously weak defenses. Which is to say, yes, OU has a great offense.. but.. how great, really, are they? I mean, I'm pretty sure OSU would shred Kansas too.... But, I'm not so sure OU rips scUM apart and shits them out. Maybe they do... I dont know.. but.. I DO KNOW that Ohio State did.
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When their hideous defense played competently for one half against Texas?

A nearly unanimous stamp of approval that their defense proved themselves. Never mind that Texas scored 24 points in both of the previous contests against ISU & KU.

Just be men and tell the truth. Ohio State has an amazing passing attack and lots of talent, but the Purdue loss was hideous and they've been too inconsistent all year to distance themselves from it. That would be logical.

Don't engage in this insanity:

 
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BigWoof31 said:
Serious, non-trolling question. Does it really matter?
Do you want to swap with us and play in NoLa and send us to California?

Isn't your gripe more with Oklahoma than Georgia?
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Not really. What happens if a 1-loss B1G Champion, Pac-Champion, or Big 12 Champion is pitted against a 1-loss non SEC Champion in the future? The committee just said they have no problem saying "Fuck it" and putting the SEC team in.
 
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Systems_id said:
Not really. What happens if a 1-loss B1G Champion, Pac-Champion, or Big 12 Champion is pitted against a 1-loss non SEC Champion in the future? The committee just said they have no problem saying "Fuck it" and putting the SEC team in.
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Basically and arguments were made for a 2 loss team. This system is a sham and based off of conference contracts with network tv. Fuck it. Need 8 team playoff or cross conference playoff then winners of each play for the Natty. Until then. It's a shit and biased system.
 
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A suggestion to all who have a problem with the CFP 4-team playoff; or disliked the BCS 2-team playoff; or advocate, but will ultimately have a problem with, the forthcoming 8-team playoff: consider that all of this boils down to the fundamental contradiction/question of whether college football is a regional game, or a national game. Because those two things are mutually incompatible, and trying to do a bit of both doesn't work.

If it is a regional game, the pre-BCS system was best. Your season goal is to win your conference, and then play in a post-season exhibition against another conference champion. Whoever wants to vote - such as AP writers or whoever else - on who they think the overall best team was, can do so, and it's fun entertainment.

If it is a national game, where determining a "true national champion" is what matters the most, you have to make a complete departure from the regional notion. Because it is impossible to determine a "best team" from among 130 teams (or more realistically, excluding G5, from 70 P5 teams) in a 15 game schedule. This is especially true when those schedules are completely dissimilar to one another and can't meaningfully be compared.

If you want a "true national champion", and therefore a national game, you have to adopt a system similar to how the English football (soccer) league is organized. In this system, teams will be grouped into divisions of about 20 teams each, from Premiere League (or whatever you prefer to call the top division) on down, with the Premiere League champion being the "true national champion", and every other division having its own, lesser, champion. These divisions will be based entirely on recent success, with no regional or historical consideration. A team that does well in its division gets promoted up a division, and a team that does poorly gets demoted down a division. With a 15-ish game limit, this is the only way it can be done; restrict the contenders to about 20 teams and have them all play similar schedules. Of course, this destroys the historically regional nature of the game, and virtually every bit of tradition associated with it, including regional conferences, rivalries, and everything else. If you want a "true national champion", that's the price.

Or the game can continue with its current trajectory, trying to have the best of both worlds by maintaining regional, unequal conferences, and having somebody decide who gets to compete for a national championship, whether that includes 2, 4, 8, or some other number of contestants. Whether we're getting the best of both worlds, the worst of both worlds, or something in-between, is a matter of opinion. I think we're getting the worst of both worlds.
 
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Systems_id said:
Not really. What happens if a 1-loss B1G Champion, Pac-Champion, or Big 12 Champion is pitted against a 1-loss non SEC Champion in the future? The committee just said they have no problem saying "Fuck it" and putting the SEC team in.
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At this point, fair or not, hasn't the SEC won a ton of championships vs other conferences?

Bitch about the system, but if they're working it, we need to work it. The best fucking way to work it and gain back the respect we deserve is WIN THE DAMN CHAMPIONSHIP. Whatever it takes, scheduling, sure.... but mostly fucking not losing to unranked nobody teams. Honestly, ttun has HUGE reason to bitch...... they lost to 2 top 10 teams and yeah they got destroyed in the Shoe...... but they didn't fucking lose by 29 to nobody.

If you think the BCS was better, the SEC STILL had way more appearances and 4-5 teams represented in the BCS game while the B1G was represented ONLY by tOSU in those years and only 3 times.

With the CFP it's closer, just Bama 4-5 times and GA just once, I think, from the SEC.... vs..... again, tOSU twice and Sparty once. The B1G isn't working that system either, apparently.

Part of being champions means doing what it takes to win not only games, but respect. If the B1G had more teams that simply COULDN'T be ignored, who fucking won out, who didn't spend every Saturday squeaking past teams they should hang 40 on.... they'd get respect. It's hard to say....."the B1G is so tough," when outside of Sparty it's been decades since anyone but us has been to the dance because they COULDN'T ignore them.

Reality, folks. The B1G has some work to do to get the respect we feel it deserves and used to have.
 
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BuckBuckTN said:
At this point, fair or not, hasn't the SEC won a ton of championships vs other conferences?

Bitch about the system, but if they're working it, we need to work it. The best fucking way to work it and gain back the respect we deserve is WIN THE DAMN CHAMPIONSHIP. Whatever it takes, scheduling, sure.... but mostly fucking not losing to unranked nobody teams. Honestly, ttun has HUGE reason to bitch...... they lost to 2 top 10 teams and yeah they got destroyed in the Shoe...... but they didn't fucking lose by 29 to nobody.

If you think the BCS was better, the SEC STILL had way more appearances and 4-5 teams represented in the BCS game while the B1G was represented ONLY by tOSU in those years and only 3 times.

With the CFP it's closer, just Bama 4-5 times and GA just once, I think, from the SEC.... vs..... again, tOSU twice and Sparty once. The B1G isn't working that system either, apparently.

Part of being champions means doing what it takes to win not only games, but respect. If the B1G had more teams that simply COULDN'T be ignored, who fucking won out, who didn't spend every Saturday squeaking past teams they should hang 40 on.... they'd get respect. It's hard to say....."the B1G is so tough," when outside of Sparty it's been decades since anyone but us has been to the dance because they COULDN'T ignore them.

Reality, folks. The B1G has some work to do to get the respect we feel it deserves and used to have.
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We have not seen a non-Alabama SEC national champ since Auburn in whenever-the-fuck that was. All this SEC love comes down to Bama-Bama-Bama and E$PN TV deals.
 
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