The Paul Finebaum Show (Official Thread)

[colobuck79]

Damn that dude has big ears.

Almost as big as Sandusky's hands.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Is that the attempt to troll Ohio State fans saying that Urban has been a disappointment going 61-6 in five seasons, with an undefeated season and a Natty under his belt? Just curious, I didn't click.

I've got 2015 MSU game and not winning the NC that year as the only thing that I would consider even remotely related to "underachieved" under Meyer.


2013 and 2016 teams were flawed. Sitting around projecting NC's for them in your head is a stretch imo.

obviously no complaints about '12 and '14

'15 should have won the NC. I say that with no qualms, that was a miss.

Let's see how he makes it up to us in '17 before we write Urban off as "underachieving"

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I've got 2015 MSU game and not winning the NC that year as the only thing that I would consider even remotely related to "underachieved" under Meyer.


2013 and 2016 teams were flawed. Sitting around projecting NC's for them in your head is a stretch imo.

obviously no complaints about '12 and '14

'15 should have won the NC. I say that with no qualms, that was a miss.

Let's see how he makes it up to us in '17 before we write Urban off as "underachieving"

I figure Pawl was using the fact that Urban has only 1 B1G title to his name, which, considering that OSU has been the clear top of the league is pretty remarkable. Still, if it were the "old rules" (which is to say, prior to divisions and the championship game) OSU would have 5 B1G titles under Urban, although some of them would have been shared.

 

[NFBuck]

If this is underachieving, I'll take it.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I've got 2015 MSU game and not winning the NC that year as the only thing that I would consider even remotely related to "underachieved" under Meyer.


2013 and 2016 teams were flawed. Sitting around projecting NC's for them in your head is a stretch imo.

obviously no complaints about '12 and '14

'15 should have won the NC. I say that with no qualms, that was a miss.

Let's see how he makes it up to us in '17 before we write Urban off as "underachieving"

2015. Hard to say we underachieved. It's hard to repeat. It's also hard when you have changes to coordinators. Yes, we had talent, but with all the other factors, I wasn't surprised and didn't expect another natty.

 

[cincibuck]

If, in 2010. you had bet me that together Ohio State and Michigan would have only two appearances in the Big Ten CG I would have laughed in your face.

 

[jwinslow]

The only way it's valid is if it's code for "he didn't get Deshaun Watson"

 

[colobuck79]

If this is underachieving, I'll take it.

This. As a lifelong Browns fan. This.

 

[NFBuck]

If, in 2010. you had bet me that together Ohio State and Michigan would have only two appearances in the Big Ten CG I would have laughed in your face.

In 2010, no one knew Sparty would have a magical run from 2013-15. That appears to be over and they should sink back to a middle of the pack program. They built those teams as m*ch*g*n was down and they were equaling them in in-state recruiting. They don't have that advantage now with the harbrau. Add in the loss of the architect of some nasty defenses (Narduzzi), and they are likely back to "Sparty-being Sparty." On top of that, Ped Aggy came out of nowhere last year. But, I'm not convinced that wasn't a fluke yet. They had a lot of lucky bounces go their way, and they aren't sneaking up on anyone this year. If not for the post-season ban in 2012, there's another appearance for tOSU.

In short, it was the culmination of a lot of unusual events that led to that little oddity.

 

[cincibuck]

In 2010, no one knew Sparty would have a magical run from 2013-15. That appears to be over and they should sink back to a middle of the pack program. They built those teams as m*ch*g*n was down and they were equaling them in in-state recruiting. They don't have that advantage now with the harbrau. Add in the loss of the architect of some nasty defenses (Narduzzi), and they are likely back to "Sparty-being Sparty." On top of that, Ped Aggy came out of nowhere last year. But, I'm not convinced that wasn't a fluke yet. They had a lot of lucky bounces go their way, and they aren't sneaking up on anyone this year. If not for the post-season ban in 2012, there's another appearance for tOSU.

In short, it was the culmination of a lot of unusual events that led to that little oddity.

Agreed, but if, in 2010, I bet you that Ohio State and Michigan would combine for only two appearances in the BTCG in the next 6 years, would you have put money on the table?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Agreed, but if, in 2010, I bet you that Ohio State and Michigan would combine for only two appearances in the BTCG in the next 6 years, would you have put money on the table?

Adding Michigan 2010 to the equation is the same as adding zero, Cinci.

In 2010 they were 7-6 and would thereafter fire their HC in favor of fat garbage man....

So, the only reason I wouldn't have made that bet is because I would have bet on OSU winning more than 2

 

[NFBuck]

Agreed, but if, in 2010, I bet you that Ohio State and Michigan would combine for only two appearances in the BTCG in the next 6 years, would you have put money on the table?

In 2010, scUM was a dumpster fire under dickrod. Then they hired that oaf a week into 2011. So, at the time, thinking they would make zero appearances? I would have taken that bet. If you would have told me that tOSU would only make 1, especially with Urban freakin' Meyer, I'd be very surprised. But given what I explained above, it's not too shocking in retrospect. Over the next 5-6 years, I expect it to be largely tOSU/scUM-centric, provided the harbrau doesn't totally flame out...which isn't as far fetched as some may think.

 

[Systems_id]

Saying Urban has underachieved is laughable. So what he's lost 6 games since he's been here, 4 to teams he probably shouldn't have. So has Nick Saban. The difference between the two is Saban lost to mediocre teams that would later drop several games thus giving Bama a clear path to a conference championship. All 3 of Urban's B1G losses have come from the eventual B1G Champion.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

We have a coach that takes pride in his work. He has an undefeated season and a National Championship here and they aren't with the same team. He truly seems to care about the players on and off the field. Even though the smart NFL teams are loading up with Buckeye talent, he seems even more concerned about what will happen when the playing days are over for these kids we cheer for on Saturdays. He brings families to campus, not just the crazy good players. He cares about those families being able to see their son play, graduate, and have a life regardless of a NFL football career. I'm sure there are coaches out there that are good for their programs as Urban is for ours. At this level I think that list shrinks quite a bit. As far as I'm concerned he can keep on underachieving for as long as he wants.

 

[cincibuck]

In 2010, scUM was a dumpster fire under dickrod. Then they hired that oaf a week into 2011. So, at the time, thinking they would make zero appearances? I would have taken that bet. If you would have told me that tOSU would only make 1, especially with Urban freakin' Meyer, I'd be very surprised. But given what I explained above, it's not too shocking in retrospect. Over the next 5-6 years, I expect it to be largely tOSU/scUM-centric, provided the harbrau doesn't totally flame out...which isn't as far fetched as some may think.

No argument here. The point is that the two all time premier programs of Big Ten football have not dominated the conference CG (yet). One hasn't even made the CG. The other has only been there twice and is 1 and 1.