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BuckBackHome;1260489; said:
I hope you are right.......the million dollar question now (or 3.5 million dollar question I guess) is whether this staff can hold this team together. There is still alot to play for, but after two years of public ridicule and consistently not being able to put it together in big games, their confidence is gone. You can see it in the play-have they played with confidence since the Penn State game last year? I can feel how tightly wound they are sitting in my living room, its affecting the speed at which they play with-too much hesitation, not near enough emotion, especially on defense, and when they try to play with abandon they seem to lose their discipline. This team's psyche is shot. The coaches have to figure out a way to bring back some fun, some passion in this group.
Also, I agree with the others, they have to do some serious self assessment here and figure out a way to break tendencies. There is definitely a script on how to beat this team, its no secret, stop Beanie the best you can, get pressure on the quarterback, and challenge the outside receivers to make plays. Attack the defense downfield b/c they can't consistently get pressure. What do I know about how to change it, but if they want to still make this season a success they have to figure it out. I'm just not as confident as I used to be that they can. I would love to be wrong obviously......
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OSU_D/
COYBIG, COYG
Stale Coaching
Don't forget.....
USC QB Sanchez on OSU
"They gave us the same look we practiced and prepared for, and we hit it just like we did in practice. Nothing changed."
Pete Carroll on 1460
(OSU offense) "is pretty easy to figure out."
And there is a quotation out there about UF knowing what plays OSU would run 70% of the time based on formation.
Devastating stuff. The staff needs to quit being so insular in their thinking.
Jake;1260487; said:
Don't forget.....
USC QB Sanchez on OSU
"They gave us the same look we practiced and prepared for, and we hit it just like we did in practice. Nothing changed."
Pete Carroll on 1460
(OSU offense) "is pretty easy to figure out."
And there is a quotation out there about UF knowing what plays OSU would run 70% of the time based on formation.
Devastating stuff. The staff needs to quit being so insular in their thinking.
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daveeb
Hall of Fame
Offense
-Jim Tressel is a great head football coach.
-Joe Daniels has done a great job at mentoring Troy Smith and Todd Boeckman to their maximum potential, and he should be able to do the same with Terrelle Pryor.
-Dick Tressel is one of the best running back coaches in football. Dan Herron's progression has been astounding.
-Darrell Hazell really has done a great job with coaching the wide receivers.
-I can't really pass judgement on John Peterson because, frankly, the tight ends haven't had enough of a chance to prove themselves. Why won't our quarterbacks throw to the tight end? I miss the good old Ben Hartsock days. Our inability to throw to the tight ends reminds me of the Cooper years. Hearing my dad, sandgk, scream "TIGHT END! TIGHT END!" over and over during the 90s, is burned into my memory. And, frankly, I find myself doing it today too. It's painful. I want to know why the tight ends never get involved. It should be noted that John Peterson has done a stellar job as a recruiting coordinator.
-Jim Bollman has coached some great offensive lines at Ohio State. I blame a lot of the offensive line troubles on recruiting, not on Bollman. Bollman will have a great time with the Brewster-Shugarts-Adams line. I don't really view him as an offensive coordinator, per se, because he doesn't call the plays. Jim Tressel does. As an offensive line coach, he has done the best he can given the situation.
-Thus, I think Ohio State should go out and get a fresh offensive mind to take over some of the playcalling duties. I believe that this would benefit the team as a hole, and it would allow Jim Tressel to be able to focus more on head coaching.
Defense
-Jim Heacock's defensive schemes have been less than stellar. It always seems like the best teams can find holes in our defense and exploit them. The idea of doing extra ordinary things, as opposed to extraordinary things, just doesn't work anymore. 2002's defense had players that did extraordinary things, and it showed.
It should also be noted that Heacock was great at mentoring the defensive line before he was defensive coordinator. However, now he is very ineffective at mentoring the defensive line. I'd like to see Heacock stay on as a defensive line coach, but not as the defensive coordinator.
-Luke Fickell has done a fine job at mentoring our linebackers.
-Paul Haynes has left many questions to be answered. His mentoring of Kurt Coleman and Anderson Russell has left much to be desired.
-Taver Johnson has done a great job with mentoring Malcolm Jenkins and, most especially, Chimdi Chekwa.
-Thus, just as with the offensive coordinator position, I believe a new defensive coordinator with a new defensive philosophy should be brought in.
-Jim Tressel is a great head football coach.
-Joe Daniels has done a great job at mentoring Troy Smith and Todd Boeckman to their maximum potential, and he should be able to do the same with Terrelle Pryor.
-Dick Tressel is one of the best running back coaches in football. Dan Herron's progression has been astounding.
-Darrell Hazell really has done a great job with coaching the wide receivers.
-I can't really pass judgement on John Peterson because, frankly, the tight ends haven't had enough of a chance to prove themselves. Why won't our quarterbacks throw to the tight end? I miss the good old Ben Hartsock days. Our inability to throw to the tight ends reminds me of the Cooper years. Hearing my dad, sandgk, scream "TIGHT END! TIGHT END!" over and over during the 90s, is burned into my memory. And, frankly, I find myself doing it today too. It's painful. I want to know why the tight ends never get involved. It should be noted that John Peterson has done a stellar job as a recruiting coordinator.
-Jim Bollman has coached some great offensive lines at Ohio State. I blame a lot of the offensive line troubles on recruiting, not on Bollman. Bollman will have a great time with the Brewster-Shugarts-Adams line. I don't really view him as an offensive coordinator, per se, because he doesn't call the plays. Jim Tressel does. As an offensive line coach, he has done the best he can given the situation.
-Thus, I think Ohio State should go out and get a fresh offensive mind to take over some of the playcalling duties. I believe that this would benefit the team as a hole, and it would allow Jim Tressel to be able to focus more on head coaching.
Defense
-Jim Heacock's defensive schemes have been less than stellar. It always seems like the best teams can find holes in our defense and exploit them. The idea of doing extra ordinary things, as opposed to extraordinary things, just doesn't work anymore. 2002's defense had players that did extraordinary things, and it showed.
It should also be noted that Heacock was great at mentoring the defensive line before he was defensive coordinator. However, now he is very ineffective at mentoring the defensive line. I'd like to see Heacock stay on as a defensive line coach, but not as the defensive coordinator.
-Luke Fickell has done a fine job at mentoring our linebackers.
-Paul Haynes has left many questions to be answered. His mentoring of Kurt Coleman and Anderson Russell has left much to be desired.
-Taver Johnson has done a great job with mentoring Malcolm Jenkins and, most especially, Chimdi Chekwa.
-Thus, just as with the offensive coordinator position, I believe a new defensive coordinator with a new defensive philosophy should be brought in.
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CleveBucks
Serenity now
osugrad21;1260218; said:
Noticed that and it drove me crazy. What is it about our blitzing that they never get home?
Poor timing?
Too transparent?
If the blitz doesn't create pressure, you're better off dropping 8 into coverage. Blitzing against LSU was a problem too. It only served to take our guys out of the play and create more holes in the defensive backfield.
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I don't even know where to begin...just so many questions and so confused.
- The OL, to state the obvious, is a major weakness. In every big game, they get beat consistently and are mentally soft. Penalties are inexcusable mistakes and they are horribly prone to them.
- Much of the blame lays at the feet of the OL, but TB takes too long to make a decision, and too often when he does it's the wrong one and has disastrous results.
- I think JT is his best with a dynamic QB. His playcalling from about mid-'05 up until the debacle in the desert was often a thing of beauty. TB's presence limits that.
- Defensively, the line must, must, must get better and there are too many holes in the overall scheme. Like I've stated, I'm not a great "X's and O's" guy, but it seems to me, we blitz at the wrong times and leave enormous holes for the opposing QB to pick at.
- The OL, to state the obvious, is a major weakness. In every big game, they get beat consistently and are mentally soft. Penalties are inexcusable mistakes and they are horribly prone to them.
- Much of the blame lays at the feet of the OL, but TB takes too long to make a decision, and too often when he does it's the wrong one and has disastrous results.
- I think JT is his best with a dynamic QB. His playcalling from about mid-'05 up until the debacle in the desert was often a thing of beauty. TB's presence limits that.
- Defensively, the line must, must, must get better and there are too many holes in the overall scheme. Like I've stated, I'm not a great "X's and O's" guy, but it seems to me, we blitz at the wrong times and leave enormous holes for the opposing QB to pick at.
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BuckPshrink
All-American
What troubles me is the execution design itself! Zone blocking schemes leave much to be desired. I've seen to many backs running into lineman to the point I could scream! Further, complicated assignments may well add to the unnecessary penalties. Fire off the line & push! The "D" line spends way to much time running around the "O".. Shed blocks & get into the backfield! IMHO....
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Jake
Once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye
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CleveBucks;1260643; said:
The other team knows what's coming?
"They gave us the same look we practiced and prepared for, and we hit it just like we did in practice. Nothing changed." USC QB Mark Sanchez
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bucknutz
OH--IO
Part of this team getting better and finishing the season on a good note is us as fans sticking behind them. I believe it's a combination of both the players, and the coaching as a team needing to play better.
I have full confidence in JT, he will adjust and make this team better.
I have full confidence in JT, he will adjust and make this team better.
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kilt1iron
Left Coast Buckeye
Befuddled
Someone, anyone, tell me what I need to feel.
I have been a die-hard fan from since I could remember. Mid '60s, I am pretty sure. But what is reality today is tOSU is considered top tier. Some hate us with a passion. Others await our flops, an laugh uncontrollably. We just aren't nasty enough. I live in the LA area media. I almost puked at the news I am watching right now. :( If it isn't Jim Brown for CBS news, it's hearing from Pete Carrol how his team just played the BEST defense from last year.
(ugh)
So, this is what I want:
1. JT, please revisit your approach to play calling. Simplify the O-line blocking, tap a few field generals to call the blocks, and have the backs run with a blood-thirsty attitude. Find someone to punish by the third stride. (It is a wonderful psych tactic)
2. Heacock must relinquish the defensive strategy to someone else with a more aggressive mindset.
3. The Future is NOW. Terrell is it. Boecks is not. Herron is THE back, and Beanie will return in 2-3 games.
4. It's time for those DE youngsters to play, with FIRE in their BELLIES. Put 'em in, and let them show they have "a beast within."
:osu:
Someone, anyone, tell me what I need to feel.
I have been a die-hard fan from since I could remember. Mid '60s, I am pretty sure. But what is reality today is tOSU is considered top tier. Some hate us with a passion. Others await our flops, an laugh uncontrollably. We just aren't nasty enough. I live in the LA area media. I almost puked at the news I am watching right now. :( If it isn't Jim Brown for CBS news, it's hearing from Pete Carrol how his team just played the BEST defense from last year.
(ugh)
So, this is what I want:
1. JT, please revisit your approach to play calling. Simplify the O-line blocking, tap a few field generals to call the blocks, and have the backs run with a blood-thirsty attitude. Find someone to punish by the third stride. (It is a wonderful psych tactic)
2. Heacock must relinquish the defensive strategy to someone else with a more aggressive mindset.
3. The Future is NOW. Terrell is it. Boecks is not. Herron is THE back, and Beanie will return in 2-3 games.
4. It's time for those DE youngsters to play, with FIRE in their BELLIES. Put 'em in, and let them show they have "a beast within."
:osu:
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I agree with those who say our biggest problem is in the trenches.
While Grad21 makes a good point that the defense's performance was adequate, not great; he didn't exactly suggest that the DL was getting the job done. IMO they weren't. We've had good defensive lines, so it seems to me the problem there is talent. The coaches are responsible for recruiting though.
As for the offense, to me the problem goes back 7 years; not just to Saturday night. The lack of dominance of OSU's offensive lines seems strangely out of balance with the amount of NFL talent that our OL has produced over that time period. In my opinion, Bollman is producing good linemen, but not good lines.
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I also have to wonder if the team isn't thinking too much this year. Perhaps getting so cerebral with the team in the Spring will end up having been a "live and learn" moment. While it seems counter-intuitive to suggest that the team could know too much about the game; they certainly don't seem to be playing as well as they did last year.
While Grad21 makes a good point that the defense's performance was adequate, not great; he didn't exactly suggest that the DL was getting the job done. IMO they weren't. We've had good defensive lines, so it seems to me the problem there is talent. The coaches are responsible for recruiting though.
As for the offense, to me the problem goes back 7 years; not just to Saturday night. The lack of dominance of OSU's offensive lines seems strangely out of balance with the amount of NFL talent that our OL has produced over that time period. In my opinion, Bollman is producing good linemen, but not good lines.
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I also have to wonder if the team isn't thinking too much this year. Perhaps getting so cerebral with the team in the Spring will end up having been a "live and learn" moment. While it seems counter-intuitive to suggest that the team could know too much about the game; they certainly don't seem to be playing as well as they did last year.
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craigblitz
Juice, Full of Juice!!
Then our blitz packages need to be scrapped and put to bed because they are extremely ineffective and they are hazardous to the teams success.
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shetuck
What do you need water for, Sunshine?
While I realize that to some extent the penalties from the SC game reflect on the players, I also think that they reflect on how well the coaches did getting the guys prepared (mentally) for a tough game (physically).
I think this goes back to the last few big games when we just can't seem to get things going because we kill momentum with penalties. Penalties come when a team is either outmatched and frustrated and/or when they're not totally comfortable and prepared for clean execution. I just think that if the coaches make the strategic choice to hide large portions of the playbook from weaker opposing teams, we run the risk of not being able to execute those plays when the time comes and it really matters.
It's one thing to run these plays during practice, but it's altogether a different thing to run them on gameday. Sure, you have to trust the guys on the field and have confidence that they'll be able to transition those practice reps smoothly onto the field, but clearly that's not what's happening and the coaches need to adjust that *apparent* approach.
I think this goes back to the last few big games when we just can't seem to get things going because we kill momentum with penalties. Penalties come when a team is either outmatched and frustrated and/or when they're not totally comfortable and prepared for clean execution. I just think that if the coaches make the strategic choice to hide large portions of the playbook from weaker opposing teams, we run the risk of not being able to execute those plays when the time comes and it really matters.
It's one thing to run these plays during practice, but it's altogether a different thing to run them on gameday. Sure, you have to trust the guys on the field and have confidence that they'll be able to transition those practice reps smoothly onto the field, but clearly that's not what's happening and the coaches need to adjust that *apparent* approach.
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
well see the next few weeks will be telling. i remember an average osu team that lost a couple of games early. that team with tim spencer at tailback was as good as anyone in the country by the end of the year.
well see what kind of coaches we have... well see what kind of kids we have...
for better or worse.
well see what kind of coaches we have... well see what kind of kids we have...
for better or worse.
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