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Game Thread THE GAME: Ohio State 14, TSUN 3 (final)

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Lockup;993608; said:
I have not decided how worried I am about Michigan. Yes there is always some worry because they are a good football team but I think they would have been more trouble had they been coming in with both teams undefeated in the Big Ten. After their start it was the only thing they had left. It may be worse now because while they still have a chance at an outright Big Ten (thanks to us) they seem even more like a wounded dog.

This season has to be a complete and utter disappointment to Hart, Henne, Long and all the others. Even with two losses we can still say this season was a suprise. With 4 loses Michigan will be flatlined.

Our guys are going to have to put some extra fuel in the tank I fear for this game because Michigan will be ready. Of course their balloon could be completely deflated by now and we will roll them big time.
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Was Bo's death, an undefeated season and a shot at the NC not more motivation for them last year? All this stuff goes out the window once they start playing. Then its just a matter of who executes better and who wants it a little more.

The health, or lack of, of Henne and Hart is huge. I know its been discussed a lot but I still don't think people are giving it its due. Just because they probably will suit up doesn't mean they are 100% and if they are anything less than that, it really hurts tsuns chances all other factors be damned.


I agree it will take our teams best effort to win but that goes without saying, its The Game.
 
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Jaxbuck;993616; said:
Was Bo's death, an undefeated season and a shot at the NC not more motivation for them last year? All this stuff goes out the window once they start playing. Then its just a matter of who executes better and who wants it a little more.
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Yes I think that stuff played into last year and I think it is why the game was so close. Last year it was at our house though and I don't look for Michigan to be in any mood to beaten for a third time at home after the first two losses.

It is one thing to want a chance at the NC. It is a completely different thing to not want to go 0-4 against OSU at home after haveing players come back and this season being such a disappointment for Michigan.

Let's face it would you rather have a NC or a victory over Michigan? I think most bucks fans would have a tougher time than you think answering that question.

Oh and I agree completely on on the Hart, Henne deal. Michigan needs both and I personlly think they need Hart more than Henne but it is really close.
 
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Lockup;993643; said:
Yes I think that stuff played into last year and I think it is why the game was so close. Last year it was at our house though and I don't look for Michigan to be in any mood to beaten for a third time at home after the first two losses.

It is one thing to want a chance at the NC. It is a completely different thing to not want to go 0-4 against OSU at home after haveing players come back and this season being such a disappointment for Michigan.

Let's face it would you rather have a NC or a victory over Michigan? I think most bucks fans would have a tougher time than you think answering that question.

Oh and I agree completely on on the Hart, Henne deal. Michigan needs both and I personlly think needs Hart more than Henne but it is really close.
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Not wanting to go 0-4 is focusing on the negative. People who study the subconcious encoding process will tell you that when you word stuff like that it works against you. You first have to get a mental image of losing to then add the "don't" command. Subconciously the damage is done.

Its why you never tell kids "don't drop the dishes" they have to mentally picture dropping them to then add the word "don't". You say "put the dishes away safely".

Anyway, thats what others have said on the topic and I happen to believe it.


As far as the NC or win overt tsun question...you can't have one without the other. The question I would ask is if you could guarantee a win over tsun in any given year but it would cost you at least one other regular season win and therefore a NC shot, would you take it.

My answer to that would be yes.
 
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Jaxbuck;993651; said:
Not wanting to go 0-4 is focusing on the negative. People who study the subconcious encoding process will tell you that when you word stuff like that it works against you. You first have to get a mental image of losing to then add the "don't" command. Subconciously the damage is done.

Its why you never tell kids "don't drop the dishes" they have to mentally picture dropping them to then add the word "don't". You say "put the dishes away safely".

Anyway, thats what others have said on the topic and I happen to believe it.


As far as the NC or win overt tsun question...you can't have one without the other. The question I would ask is if you could guarantee a win over tsun in any given year but it would cost you at least one other regular season win and therefore a NC shot, would you take it.

My answer to that would be yes.
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Well tsun has plenty to be negative about this year don't they. :wink2:

You got my point about the question though. It is tough to answer. As great as it was to beat tsun last year I was sick for a while after the NC game.
 
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Jaxbuck;993651; said:
As far as the NC or win overt tsun question...you can't have one without the other. The question I would ask is if you could guarantee a win over tsun in any given year but it would cost you at least one other regular season win and therefore a NC shot, would you take it.

My answer to that would be yes.
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Absolute, "YES!". Personally, the national scene matters less than 50% for me. My primary hope for the Buckeyes is to eventually over take the W-L column with the SkunkBears.
 
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Lockup;993665; said:
You got my point about the question though. It is tough to answer. As great as it was to beat tsun last year I was sick for a while after the NC game.
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Well losing a NC is different I guess, that was a kick in the nuts.

My scenario would be to get a choice to be essentially 11-1 every year with a win over tsun and that 1 regular season loss cost you a NC appearance.

I'd take that every time. Seriously.
 
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I know some will say that you should throw stats out of the window - this year I expect to hear that more from the OOS fans up north.

Offensive output
Ohio State 407.8 ypg
TSUN - 399.2 ypg

Outrushed 19 yards per game, though outpassing the Buckeyes at a 10 yard clip.

Outscored 33.6 to 28.2 ppg.

Defensively still the #1 ranked overall Defense - giving up 11.4 ppg (also a #1 rank), vs. 20.8 ppg (#27).

This week always becomes thick with discussion of the intangibles, the who wants it more factor. This can also manifest, sometimes, as the who wants it too much factor.

If the Buckeyes had walked away from the Illini with a victory, I would have, on balance granted them the "edge" in this department. Now, not so much.

Losing put into sharp focus for the Buckeyes the need for redemption. Meanwhile TSUN backed into this game with verbal displays of "who gives a shit anyway about that," immediately after their artfully crafted loss by omission to the Badgers. Yes, they still have the Seniors pleading for "no mas" and please not 0-4. But, I think that leans into the column of wanting it too much. Meanwhile the Buckeyes face the prospect of righting their ship with this win, capping their season in a positive way, putting behind them the poor performance in their last game.

All other factors in the who wants it debate cancel out in my view. On balance, the emotional side favors the Buckeyes, theirs is a need, it is not one that smacks of desperation - which a looming 0-4 surely brings to mind.

One other factor often discussed this week is the realtive health of each squad. If Henne was pulled so quickly agaisnt the Badgers that speaks volumes about the severity of his dicky shoulder - a pretty important injury for a QB. If Henne shows any signs of not being able to give his full arc or zip on throws then TSUN must turn to Mallett - not a great prospect for them. Hart being back there to carry the rock for TSUN means a great deal. But, is he really anything like 100%, 90%, or 80%? Give that gabby guy his due, he would probably come out and play tough at any level of pain for this game - though is that the best thing for TSUN?

The Buckeyes are not without injury problems of their own - certainly at RB Wells and Wells and Saine all have nicks or worse. Still, these injuries are not of as deep a concern as H&H for TSUN.

Overall, the Buckeyes health is reasonably robust.

The one question mark for the Buckeyes which does need answered is how mentally clear is Todd Boeckman after last week? Can he rebound well, learn from those mistakes and not repeat them. Force nothing, take what the defence gives you.

Last, there is the issue of how well do the two squads match up. It is probably this more than any other factor that provides an emotional boost for the Buckeyes asa they travel to Ann Arbor for this game. Even with the same squad as that which saw time in State College or last week in Columbus, I like the match up.

A more straight forward approach, pro-style play from TSUN on Offense. Balanced play from the Buckeyes when they have the ball. Plus, what happens if Henton does see the field, on 3rd down, with 4 or more wide?

I think the Buckeyes may have that ace in the hole with which to play.

I like our chances (suprise, surprise).
 
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