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Game Thread THE GAME: Ohio State 14, TSUN 3 (final)

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I was watching The Game 2002 tonight and Brent kept going on and on about scUM players overall record in The Game while at tsun so it got me thinking.

This decade, scUM senior players(4 year) record in The Game.
2000 SR class(Coops last year): 3-1
2001: 2-2
2002: 2-2
2003: 2-2
2004: 1-3
2005: 1-3
2006: 1-3
2007: 0-4

No scUM player has had a winning 4 year record vs OSU since Jim Tressel gave his 310 day speech in January 2001.

Just sayin.
 
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Bleed S & G;1009684; said:
Is there an Ohio State store selling them?
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OCBucksFan;1009735; said:
I am sure some tOSU online stores will sell them but looking online all the places that seem to be selling them are in Ann Arbor...
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3yardsandacloud;1009742; said:
MLive.com: Everything Michigan

"The coin was produced by Top Cat Sales, a company owned by John Wangler, a onetime quarterback for the Wolverines."

Money will eventually go to a former Michigan QB.
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OCBuckWife;1009763; said:
The quote is referring to the actual coin used at The Game this year, one of these two headed coins.
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OCBuckWife;1009765; said:
Top Cat Sales

2615 12 Mile Rd
Berkley, MI 48072

248-546-7716
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Who are we kidding? If we don't buy them, who will? scUM fans? :confused: Bad memories included with every coin!

Take pride in ordering one, knowing that every time you look at that coin, for the REST OF YOUR LIFE, we still won the game 14-3! I think Woody would understand....

:lift:
 
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I've noticed several posts breaking down the all-time series record or just the record in The Game over various points in time. The general sentiment on this board (for obvious reasons) is to toss out the early stages of this rivalry when Yoovem was simply a more established football power and tOSU was still growing into the roll. I agree that most of the history of The Game is more balanced than the overall record might suggest, but I disagree with willfully ignoring sections of history or acting like the early stages don't count. I say this not because I have a degree from Up North, but because I'm a history teacher by trade. When I was at tOSU, I too tried to dismiss things like the Cooper era, but that's like saying "The United States has never lost a war . . . so long as wars fought in Southeast Asia don't count." Its important to remember the early years too. (Or else you get-"When you think about it America didn't really form its national identity until the 20th century. If you consider that then the United States, as we think of it, never really allowed slavery.") Those first 15 winless Games will always be on the record books. If nothing else you can use it as motivation, to try and push the Buckeyes to their own decade and a half of dominance. (OH NO! They're almost half way there already! :frown2:)

Actually maybe spending time in Ann Arbor did influence my thinking on this, but not in the way you might think. Columbus is a very modern city. It's growing and vibrant unlike most of the rest of the Midwest. The Ohio State campus is constantly in flux. Ohio State is best defined by recent past because they are always changing directions. Ann Arbor is much more "turn-of-the-century" in its layout at atmosphere. That Campus Up North is clearly trying to be like a classic college like Harvard, or Oxford, or Yale. The Yoovem school and football program are known for being steadfast to the point of stubbornness. (See also: Carr letting the game pass him by) It totally makes sense for the Maize n' Blue faithful to hold tight onto the accomplishments of the old leather helmet days (and no, not just because they have one shared national championship since 1950). For them those days are as near by as any other point in The Game's history.

Two different schools. Two different ways of looking at things. Doesn't that just always have to be the case with tOSU and Yoovem?
 
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Jaxbuck;1010465; said:
I was watching The Game 2002 tonight and Brent kept going on and on about scUM players overall record in The Game while at tsun so it got me thinking.

This decade, scUM senior players(4 year) record in The Game.
2000 SR class(Coops last year): 3-1
2001: 2-2
2002: 2-2
2003: 2-2
2004: 1-3
2005: 1-3
2006: 1-3
2007: 0-4

No scUM player has had a winning 4 year record vs OSU since Jim Tressel gave his 310 day speech in January 2001.

Just sayin.
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Also, every redshirt player who has joined the team since Tressel's arrival and stayed the full five seasons has four Gold Pants. And next year's fifth-year seniors will have the chance to be the first-ever players to win five.
 
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Jaxbuck;1010465; said:
I was watching The Game 2002 tonight and Brent kept going on and on about scUM players overall record in The Game while at tsun so it got me thinking.

This decade, scUM senior players(4 year) record in The Game.
2000 SR class(Coops last year): 3-1
2001: 2-2
2002: 2-2
2003: 2-2
2004: 1-3
2005: 1-3
2006: 1-3
2007: 0-4

No scUM player has had a winning 4 year record vs OSU since Jim Tressel gave his 310 day speech in January 2001.

Just sayin.
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Mili stole my thunder, but I'll post my thought anyway. If you simply reverse those numbers, you see that no 4-year OSU player who played so much as one year for JT left with fewer than 2 pair of pants. Those who played their entire career for JT left with no fewer than 3.
 
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Traitor -

I dig what you're saying about not being able to selectively ignor something. But, it seems to me that the whole point of the all time record, when used as an argument piece, is that the inclusion of the stats from the early 1900s overstates the rivalry's onesidedness... That is to say, as Michigan fans sometimes seem want to do (certainly on internet message boards (and thankfully not the UM fans on this board)) they hang the hat on 1905 while simultaneously ignoring 2005, if you know what I mean.

An overall record is what it is. No question about that. I don't know about others, but my objection is only made when someone uses 100 year old results as a basis upon which to assert present dominance.
 
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The Traitor;1010619; said:
I've noticed several posts breaking down the all-time series record or just the record in The Game over various points in time. The general sentiment on this board (for obvious reasons) is to toss out the early stages of this rivalry when Yoovem was simply a more established football power and tOSU was still growing into the roll. I agree that most of the history of The Game is more balanced than the overall record might suggest, but I disagree with willfully ignoring sections of history or acting like the early stages don't count. I say this not because I have a degree from Up North, but because I'm a history teacher by trade. When I was at tOSU, I too tried to dismiss things like the Cooper era, but that's like saying "The United States has never lost a war . . . so long as wars fought in Southeast Asia don't count." Its important to remember the early years too. (Or else you get-"When you think about it America didn't really form its national identity until the 20th century. If you consider that then the United States, as we think of it, never really allowed slavery.") Those first 15 winless Games will always be on the record books. If nothing else you can use it as motivation, to try and push the Buckeyes to their own decade and a half of dominance. (OH NO! They're almost half way there already! :frown2:)

Actually maybe spending time in Ann Arbor did influence my thinking on this, but not in the way you might think. Columbus is a very modern city. It's growing and vibrant unlike most of the rest of the Midwest. The Ohio State campus is constantly in flux. Ohio State is best defined by recent past because they are always changing directions. Ann Arbor is much more "turn-of-the-century" in its layout at atmosphere. That Campus Up North is clearly trying to be like a classic college like Harvard, or Oxford, or Yale. The Yoovem school and football program are known for being steadfast to the point of stubbornness. (See also: Carr letting the game pass him by) It totally makes sense for the Maize n' Blue faithful to hold tight onto the accomplishments of the old leather helmet days (and no, not just because they have one shared national championship since 1950). For them those days are as near by as any other point in The Game's history.

Two different schools. Two different ways of looking at things. Doesn't that just always have to be the case with tOSU and Yoovem?
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I've never said the early wins don't count. I just think what exactly it is they are so damn proud of should be closely examined. Look at some of the rule changes pre 1919 and see what a truely different game it was.

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THE BALL:

1869--Round, rubber Association Football (soccer ball).
1875--Egg-shaped, rubber covered Rugby ball.
1896--Prolate speheroid, without specific measurements.
1912--28 to 28 1/2" around ends, 22 1/2 to 23" around middle, weight 14-15 oz
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THE FIELD:

1869--120 yds. by 75 yds., uprights 24' apart.
1871--166 2/3 yds. by 100 yds.
1872--133 1/3 yds. by 83 1/3 yds.
1873--Uprights 25' apart.
1876--110 yds. by 53 1/3 yds., uprights 18 1/2' apart, crossbar 10' high.
1882--Field marked with transverse lines every five yds.; this distance to begained in three downs to maintain posession.
1912--120 yds. by 53 1/3 yds., including two 10 yd. end zones.
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POINTS AND SCORING:

1869--All goals count 1 pt. each.
1883--Safety 1, touchdown 2, goal after TD 4, goal from field 5.
1884--Safety 2, TD 4, goal after TD 2.
1898--Touchdown 5, goal after TD 1.
1904--Goal from field 4.
1909--Goal from field 3.
1912--Touchdown 6.
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PLAYERS:

1869--Each team consisted of 25 players.
1873--20 players to a team.
1876--15 players to a team.
1880--11 players to a team.
1895--Only one man in motion foreward before the snap. No more than three players behind the line. One player permitted in motion toward own goal line.
1910--Seven players required on line.
1911--Illegal to conceal ball beneath player's clothing.
1915--Numbering of players recommended.
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PASSING GAME:

1906--One foreward pass legalized behind the line if made five yards to the
right or left of center. Ball went to opponent if it failed to
touch a player of either side before touching the ground. Either
team could recover a pass touched by an opponent. Limit one pass
each scrimmage down.
1910--Pass interference does not apply 20 yds. beyond the line of scrimmage. Passer must be 5 yds. behind line of scrimmage. One foreward pass permitted during each down.
1914--Roughing the passer penalty added.
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GENERAL CHANGES:

1876--Holding and carrying the ball permitted.
1880--Eleven players to a side and a scrimmage line established.
1882--Downs and yards to gain enter rules.
1883--Scoring system established.
1906--Foreward passes permitted; Ten yards for first down.
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My point has always been to show just how sadly antiquated scUM's most successful era truely is. The fact a history teacher from scUM is on here defending them is delicious irony. I've long been of the opinion scUM fans are pretty much all history buffs because their team hasn't done much since WWI they can't thank John Cooper for.
 
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