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Not to quibble, @Jaxbuck but with legalized gambling, I'd say the threat to the game is actually more than you're affording when it comes to the integrity discussion. Why in the hell would I place a bet on a game now, knowing that the people who are playing in it may be in it for the prop bets. And why wouldn't those players do so, when the consequence is ... this? So, has college football always had some level of corruption? I have no argument to the contrary. But, the legalized gambling industry can't be happy with this.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Not to quibble, @Jaxbuck but with legalized gambling, I'd say the threat to the game is actually more than you're affording when it comes to the integrity discussion. Why in the hell would I place a bet on a game now, knowing that the people who are playing in it may be in it for the prop bets. And why wouldn't those players do so, when the consequence is ... this? So, has college football always had some level of corruption? I have no argument to the contrary. But, the legalized gambling industry can't be happy with this.
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You are equating punishment of this guy to deterrence for others and I don't necessarily think that is a true statement.

If people are going to point shave, throw games in this day and age of legalized betting with all the ways they can catch you doing it then I would submit they are going to do it no matter what.

They have nailed guys in the NFL recently for legally gambling on non NFL games. They nailed the Cleveland pitchers. Pete Rose got a lifetime ban, all the other examples that have been thrown around and yet, this guy went and gambled on sports while being an athlete anyway. It seems as though he was not deterred by immediate punishment of other athletes and neither will the next guy be if they ended Sorsby's career yesterday.

The second part of "How can I ever bet on this sport again" is overly dramatic. If the only way you are comfortable placing a bet is on a sport that you think is safe from manipulation, you are better off not betting. Every major sport has had, and will continue to have, betting scandals. You cannot eliminate it so acting like this is some kind of breach of the public trust is a leap Evil Knievel would think twice about.

We are all a little salty at the TT oil baron for gaming the system.

The faux moral outrage over gambling/sports integrity and the like is just theatre.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
You are equating punishment of this guy to deterrence for others and I don't necessarily think that is a true statement.

If people are going to point shave, throw games in this day and age of legalized betting with all the ways they can catch you doing it then I would submit they are going to do it no matter what.

They have nailed guys in the NFL recently for legally gambling on non NFL games. They nailed the Cleveland pitchers. Pete Rose got a lifetime ban, all the other examples that have been thrown around and yet, this guy went and gambled on sports while being an athlete anyway. It seems as though he was not deterred by immediate punishment of other athletes and neither will the next guy be if they ended Sorsby's career yesterday.

The second part of "How can I ever bet on this sport again" is overly dramatic. If the only way you are comfortable placing a bet is on a sport that you think is safe from manipulation, you are better off not betting. Every major sport has had, and will continue to have, betting scandals. You cannot eliminate it so acting like this is some kind of breach of the public trust is a leap Evil Knievel would think twice about.

We are all a little salty at the TT oil baron for gaming the system.

The faux moral outrage over gambling/sports integrity and the like is just theatre.
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Jax, they nailed this guy. Thats the problem. There have got to be lines in the sand.

I dont think im being overly dramatic. I won't ever place a bet on cfp.

I get your gaming the system discussion, but thats sorta the point... lets say they are pausing the limits of non regulation.. its incumbent on the rest of the world to say, nope. Im not trying to make a pearl clutching appeal here, I'm discussing completely misreading the long term.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
And to my point, how many fans around here have been systematically removing their personal stake ,year over year.

I get the adapt or die mentality youre espousing. But, this isn't nam. There are rules. Breaking points matter. Even from a sustainability perspective.
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They did nail the guy and the NCAA followed their own rules and suspended him. Then the oil guy bought a friendly local judge. If the legal system can keep on chugging along then I don't see how this is a line in the sand/referendum on the CFB system. How is the integrity of the game (whatever that means) affected?

CFB is innocent, the lawyers fucked them.

People can be mad at that but all the histrionics (not you-what I hear/see in the sports news world) is what's missing the point

At the end of the day, show me a CFB rule that hasn't been violated more than @Thump mom. It's more popular than ever. People on here are all getting older and were raving nut job fans at one point in their lives-maybe we are all just more and more disinterested because we're changing too.

I look and see the legal system continuing on. I see government thriving. So compared to those two institutions, I think something as mildly dysfunctional as CFB is going to be just fine.
 
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I‘m starting to think the gambling story is just a way for Sorsby to draw attention away from the fact that he is a mediocre quarterback. Kind of a genius move if you think about it. Nobody is talking about his QB skills at all.
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Yeah, the fact that he's an average QB at best is getting lost in all of this! I want Texas Tech to get to play their entire schedule just so Oil Boy can watch the millions he spent on Sorsby be lit on fire
 
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CincyInterloper said:
I‘m starting to think the gambling story is just a way for Sorsby to draw attention away from the fact that he is a mediocre quarterback. Kind of a genius move if you think about it. Nobody is talking about his QB skills at all.
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But the Browns media personalities have all been prognosticating on how the Browns can get him in the Supplemental Draft with their recently acquired first round pick. How could he just be mediocre? (note sarcasm font)
 
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Texas Tech's decision on Brendan Sorsby threatens to throw a live grenade into college football powder keg

With the Big 12 and national college football landscapes hanging in the balance, Texas Tech can't afford to take a chance on playing Sorsby
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Texas Tech's decision on Brendan Sorsby threatens to throw a live grenade into college football powder keg​

With the Big 12 and national college football landscapes hanging in the balance, Texas Tech can't afford to take a chance on playing Sorsby​

The Big 12 has gone radio silent. A meeting among athletic directors on Tuesday settled one thing -- only Texas Tech believes Brendan Sorsby should play this season.

As commissioner Brett Yormark calculates his next move and orders school leaders to remain silent, the pressure on Texas Tech is immense. The fallout could trigger a cascade of radical moves across college athletics.

The Big 12's athletic directors have drawn a line in the west Texas sand: the Red Raiders must pull their support of Sorsby, even after a Lubbock judge granted him a temporary injunction against the NCAA to play this season, despite his admission that he bet on the sport dozens of times.

Theoretically, the Big 12 can force Tech's hand with threats (though no one is seriously considering invoking a bylaw to kick Tech out of the league), and Yormark will consider his options after speaking to the league's presidents Thursday, but the onus is on Tech. Nothing is stopping the Red Raiders from ending this debacle by showing Sorsby the door.

The outrage among coaches, athletic directors and presidents is practically universal. Integrity is paramount to college athletics, and if Texas Tech and the Big 12 turn a blind eye to moral obligation, you can bet seismic changes within and outside the NCAA model are coming.

And the Big 12 is not equipped to handle those changes.

Georgia and Nebraska stood tall Monday and said they will no longer schedule Texas Tech, but it's only a warning shot, if not an empty threat. But what those proclamations reveal is a growing willingness among college leaders to make radical decisions as the House of NCAA burns to the ground. If the Big 12 and Tech are not careful, they might get burned, too.

Leaders are preparing for war if Tech plays Sorsby this season. The ideas pitched to me over the last two days have left my jaw on the floor. Blue-sky thinking? These feel more like nuclear winter.
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