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cincibuck;867355; said:
Yikes! That's two West Side Story references here on BP in the last couple hours.
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Gatorubet
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"Get down on your knees!"
Nah - I think I'll just walk away :::whack:::
What a dumb ass. He needs a thumping just for being that stupid. He should have taken the "just this time" out and reported the officer later. No matter the deal, when you are orderd by the cop to do something, you'd better do it.
"KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE WHEEL!!!! No, officer, you do not have the right to talk to me like that, I'll just get my violin out and {BANG!}
Nah - I think I'll just walk away :::whack:::
What a dumb ass. He needs a thumping just for being that stupid. He should have taken the "just this time" out and reported the officer later. No matter the deal, when you are orderd by the cop to do something, you'd better do it.
"KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE WHEEL!!!! No, officer, you do not have the right to talk to me like that, I'll just get my violin out and {BANG!}
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OCBuckWife
I am the evil monkey in your closet
Gatorubet;867404; said:
Right, so the next time a cop orders me to give him a blowjob in his cruiser and never tell anyone about it I will just save the semen in my mouth until I can wander back from whatever dead end road he left me on so I can find another member of the "Blue Brotherhood" to try to report the first cop at which time the second will order me to spit it out and give him sloppy seconds. Good advice.
Read about the LA Rampart district police and then say that.
Ok, sorry that was my first gut reaction response. Yeah, it was extreme, but anyone who thinks that just doing what a cop tells you to and trying to fix it later is the correct response hasn't ever had real interaction with a street cop with an attitude.
This guy was nothing but polite. He said "sir," he thanked the cop for advice, but he refused to let his personal rights be trampled upon. He did not say anything that could be construed as insulting, he made no dangerous movements, he did what the cop said but he also pointed out possible personal danger. He phrased his doubts as questions, not demands. And he still got tackled from behind, tased, and had his personal property destroyed out of spite. Cops are not above human, they are simply humans with a badge. And humans err. And the average citizen takes it in the backside until enough of us say, "ENOUGH!"
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OCBuckWife
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;867579; said:
I used to hang out with Paris Hilton.
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Officer Wingate said 'You can't ride here'.
I asked where that was posted. Officer Wingate made a vague gesture in the direction of the Lindbergh terminal and angrily said 'back there'. I asked for specifics of where it was and what the sign said, and tried to explain that I had been to the airport many times and had never seen such a sign. Officer Wingate became more angry at this questioning of his authority, and burst out 'I'm *telling* you you can't ride here'. I never raised my voice, used profanity or made threatening gestures yet I was threatened again: 'I'm going to mace you, I'm going to tase you!'.
I personally don't see a problem here.....
I asked where that was posted. Officer Wingate made a vague gesture in the direction of the Lindbergh terminal and angrily said 'back there'. I asked for specifics of where it was and what the sign said, and tried to explain that I had been to the airport many times and had never seen such a sign. Officer Wingate became more angry at this questioning of his authority, and burst out 'I'm *telling* you you can't ride here'. I never raised my voice, used profanity or made threatening gestures yet I was threatened again: 'I'm going to mace you, I'm going to tase you!'.
I personally don't see a problem here.....
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Gatorubet;867404; said:
As a retired military member, I absolutely appreciate the need for listening to proper authority, whether you agree with it or not. That being said, there's a definite limit in the level of response to non-compliance. If I'm starting to jaywalk a street, a cop sees me and tells me to stop, and I ignore him and commit the jaywalk, he does not have the right to come up and tase/beat my ass.
Two years ago, a group of us were finishing up a training ride. One guy came up to a stop sign a couple hundred yards from the park parking lot where we had all parked our cars. He was a very experienced rider who could come to a complete stop without putting either foot to the ground. Sure enough, there was a cop at the four-way stop who was monitoring for stop-sign runners. He chased this guy down in his squad car and tried to tell him didn't could not have stopped without putting a foot down (I've seen guys wait at a light for well over a minute with taking a foot of the pedals). The cop then proceeded to raise his voice and tell him something along the line of "All you fucking cyclers are the same". Fortunately for the guy, one of the gals in our riding group actually knew who the cop was and sweet-talked him out of issuing the guy a citation. So, when I read the above story, I can see how the airport cop could just have something out for cyclers. Some portions of the story seem a little exaggerated (cop stepping on his glasses on the ground), but after what I saw on our ride, it wouldn't surprise me if it were all true...and if it is all true, I hope the cycler wins a huge-ass settlement.
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Gatorubet
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OCBuckWife;867574; said:
I like your advice. Argue with the idiot 'roid rage cop when you could avoid the incident entirely. Did you even read the whole article? First our hero asked to speak to the cops' supervisor....well Mr. Nebbish Con law Prof, the street corner isn't the Precinct House, and nobody is going to sent a squad car down so you can talk Terry stop with them. Second, the idiot cop gave him an out. He chose not to take it. The minute the cop was gone he could've gone his own way. But nooooooo. He has to argue some more. Finally, after it is clear that the cop is boiling mad and looking to do something stupid, our genius disobeys an order to get to his knees, which in most areas is not a precursor to a hummer, but the start of an arrest. Feel free to argue your rights as they haul you away. Tell an NOPD cop after one week of no sleep and out of state drunks that he has no right to tell you not to cross the barricade so you can see the Bacchus Floats better... Uh huh. We have a saying or two: "Don't ask the cop if you can piss in the park", and "You can beat the rap but you can't beat the trip downtown" This clown broke both rules.
He should have shut up and in a minute he could have gone his merry way.
That is numbnut's version. It has been my experience that there are often two sides of a story. But in any event, to walk away from an angry cop before the issue is resolved - after disregarding an order to get to his knees, the precursor to an arrest - is stupid. Having civil rights does not mean turning off the common sense part of your brain. I'm not talking about arrest or search and seizure rights here, I'm talking about not being a dumb ass when prudence would have prevented the ass hole cop from - well - being more of an ass hole. And hon, I not only know cops like that, I've had to defend them in court.
This theory is an extension of my marriage golden rule: would I rather be right or happy? He chose "right", which is cool, but right sometimes has consequences. Far better to have downplayed it and complained later. Once you get arrested, you often get the head smashed into the car, which results in the filing of a resisting arrest charge to explain the bleeding noggin. That does not make it right, but a little street smart will get you more relief than a lawsuit later.
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Gatorubet
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MililaniBuckeye;867715; said:
I am not defending the cop. I am saying that in any situation, especially in situations like this, it is better to not try to win his case arguing to the court of cop, but to tone it down, show some respect, agree to not do it again (knowing you can clear it up with the cops or airport later) and go on your way. He chose to scream ATTICA, ATTICA at a cop who was clearly an ass. When you see he is an ass, you have to think smart. He did not.
Sorry if you think I was defending the cop. I'm just disgusted by both of their responses.
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Gator, under most other circumstances I'd tend to agree with you in that the guy should have sucked it up, listed to the cop, and pressed on. But in this case, the guy is on a bicycle and has no other mode of transportation (it's not like he was in a car and was asked to turn around and go back to the terminal and take another way out of the airport). The cop then proceeded to tell the guy to do something that would put him in much more physical danger and take a shit-load more time (walk his bike on the road back to the terminal area). Plus there were no signs anywhere prohibiting bicycle traffic (thus the cop had no lawful authority to force him off the bike). There comes a point where you step up and question authority. In the Air Force we were taught that you assume all orders to be lawful, and you disobey them at your own peril...still, if you proved the order was not indeed lawful, you were under no obligation to follow it. Same applies in civilian life. If the bike rider was riding on a roadway that was not prohibited for bicycle traffic then the office overstepped his bounds and had absolutely no legal right to do what he did.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
The policeman MAY be your friend, but that's never a given. I tend to do whatever cops tell me to do, but I've dealt with a few who needed to be reminded that there are limits to authority. It's a tough job and I appreciate that we citizens often hand them the fuzzy end of the lollipop, but they have responsibilities too and civility is always at the top of that list.
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