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street cars in columbus?

http://dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/02/25/20060225-C1-04.html

Other cities have found streetcars to be a popular option while boosting growth
Saturday, February 25, 2006
Jodi Andesand Tim Doulin
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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</td></tr> <tr><td class="credit" width="200"> GARY RINGS | TAMPA TRIBUNE </td></tr> <tr><td class="cutline" width="200">A trolley rolls through the Channelside District by a cruise-ship terminal in Tampa, Fla. The city built 2.3 miles of streetcar track for $63 million, $50 million of which was paid for by the federal government. The system opened in 2002, but taxpayers won’t be asked to chip in for years, officials said. </td></tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> </tbody></table>
For years, Columbus has debated adding a light-rail system.
Now, attention is shifting to streetcars or trolleys after Mayor Michael B. Coleman announced in his State of the City speech this week that the transit option would be studied.
Although streetcars might be less expensive than light rail, they are not cheap.
Tampa, Fla., built 2.3 miles of streetcar track for $63 million — $27.4 million per mile.
A 2-mile track in Charlotte, N.C., which began operation in 2004, cost $40 million.
Both cities paid for their trolleys without raising taxes, transit officials said. They said trolley use has exceeded expectations and didn’t decrease the number of bus riders.
"Ridership blew us away," said Jean Leier, spokeswoman for Charlotte Area Transit Systems. "We expected 100,000 (rides) in the first year because it’s just a 2-mile line. We actually ended the year with 263,967."
The track was built over an old railway line and will be supplemented next year by a light-rail system.
Light rail, which generally is faster and has fewer stops, will cost an additional $427 million, with the city paying about one-fourth, Leier said.
Like Charlotte, Tampa has found that ridership on both trolleys and buses has gone up.
"There’s no relation between the two," said Ed Crawford, the government-affairs officer for Tampa’s transit authority.
"There is a stigma about buses: ‘I’ll never be caught dead on the bus.’ "
The streetcar line was intended for tourists and has largely stayed that way, he said. It takes about 22 minutes to get from the city’s convention center to a shopping area.
And it has helped spur development. Since it went into operation in October 2002, 6,000 new apartments have been added along the track.
The federal government paid nearly $50 million of the $63 million cost, with local money and an endowment picking up the rest. Daily $4 rider passes are helping with operating costs, but someday taxpayers might have to chip in.
"The mayor pledged that they wouldn’t get into the taxpayer pocket for 10 years," Crawford said. "We’re on track to do that. I don’t know if we’ll do it beyond that."
Funding is one of the questions raised about a streetcar system in Columbus.
Coleman is forming a group of business and government officials that is expected to be announced in the next two weeks, said Mike Brown, Coleman’s spokesman.
The group will study three main questions: Is a streetcar system a good idea? Is it affordable? And will it fuel economic development? The group is expected to report by the end of the year, Brown said.
On Thursday, Coleman said a streetcar system must be affordable to build and operate without a citywide tax increase.
"Anytime we have pursued transit initiatives in Columbus, that always ends up being the biggest question," said Bob Lawler, director of transportation for the Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission. "How do we finance it?"
The Central Ohio Transit Authority says it favors the mayor’s plan to study a rail streetcar system for Downtown. But William Lhota, COTA’s president and chief executive officer, stressed that the city’s initiative has nothing to do with COTA’s plans to seek a sales-tax levy in November.
COTA will be part of the group studying the feasibility of the streetcar concept, but it is unclear what the transit authority’s role will be.
COTA already is studying whether to add streetcars, rapid transit or light rail to its bus service. Any of those systems could be used on a route that stretches north about 13 miles from Downtown.
Some of the routes COTA is studying would travel N. High Street between the Ohio State University campus and Downtown, part of the alignment that is talked about in the city’s streetcar proposal.
"I don’t see it as a problem," Lhota said. "They have a Downtown circulator concept. We are developing a comprehensive plan for all of central Ohio."
Lhota said it would be important to determine how the two systems would interact.
COTA ran a Downtown shuttle service from 1995 to 2004. Known as the Downtown Link, the shuttle service operated from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. weekdays and ferried passengers between the Brewery District and the Short North for 25 cents per ride.
The service provided about 108,000 rides in 2003. Because of budget constraints, the service was cut because it duplicated some of the service COTA already provided on the High Street corridor, Lhota said.
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didnt columbus used to have trolleys on high street?
 
My question is...

Where are they going to put them?

All the way down Broad St. and High Street, it is always a traffic jam. Especially during the day.

My understanding, is that they would have to take lanes out of the middle of the road, thats what a trolley is, right?

This should really help the road traffic.:roll1:
 
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My question is...

Where are they going to put them?

All the way down Broad St. and High Street, it is always a traffic jam. Especially during the day.

My understanding, is that they would have to take lanes out of the middle of the road, thats what a trolley is, right?

This should really help the road traffic.:roll1:

IF they had the number of people using it then there would be less cars on the road.

Don't worry teddy...these are adults I'm sure they have thought about these types of things
 
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the funny thing is this inst a new idea, its been discussed for awhile. as far as locations i have no idea.

They've been discussing a light rail system for years like the Rapid in Cleveland, but the trolley idea is now gaining steam. Mainly because the federal gov. will pay for a huge chunk of the cost.

It'd be nice to have a way to get from campus to downtown and back late at night. The #2 only runs til midnight.
 
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Vancouver, BC Streetcars

Modern cities require a wide range of transit services reflecting complex land use. Experiences in other cities have shown that streetcars provide a high level of service and can be extremely popular with residents, commuters and tourists alike. Streetcar systems in some European cities are the dominant transit service. Modern examples in North America include streetcars in cities such as New Orleans, Portland, San Francisco and Toronto. San Francisco has also focused on "rider appeal" by refurbishing streetcars from all over the world, resulting in the system becoming an attraction.
In 1995, a right-of-way along the south shore of False Creek from Granville Island to Main Street was purchased by the City from the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR). The City has developed this right-of-way into a demonstration streetcar line. Operating since 1998, the Downtown Historic Railway has enjoyed strong support from the public and numerous stakeholders.
As downtown develops to the edges of False Creek and Burrard Inlet, the resulting high-density areas need to be served with transit. In 1999, Council approved a concept plan for a Downtown Streetcar system following a consultant study and an extensive public consultation process. The primary purpose of the Downtown Streetcar is to link a number of activity centres in the downtown that are beyond comfortable walking distance for many. The system is intended as an expansion of the demonstration line in False Creek South, but using the latest technology of modern low floor electric streetcars.
Since 1999, the city has been preserving corridors to facilitate the implementation of the Downtown Streetcar. Wherever possible, a separate right-of-way should be used to free this transit system from road friction or congestion. This would significantly enhance the efficiency and attractiveness of the service. Corridors have been reserved through Southeast False Creek and the Concord Pacific, Coal Harbour, and Bayshore developments.
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GM killed the American Streetcar.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The electric streetcar, contrary to Van Wilkin's incredible naïve whitewash, did not die a natural death: General Motors killed it. GM killed it by employing a host of anti-competitive devices which, like National City Lines, debased rail transit and promoted auto sales.[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is not about a "plot" hatch by wild-eyed corporate rogues, but rather about a consummate business strategy crafted by Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., the MIT-trained genius behind General Motors, to expand auto sales and maximize profits by eliminating streetcars. In 1922, according to GM's own files, Sloan established a special unit within the corporation which was charged, among other things, with the task of replacing America's electric railways with cars, trucks and buses.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A year earlier, in 1921, GM lost $65 million, leading Sloan to conclude that the auto market was saturated, that those who desired cars already owned them, and that the only way to increase GM's sales and restore its profitability was by eliminating its principal rival: electric railways.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]At the time, 90 percent of all trips were by rail, chiefly electric rail; only one in 10 Americans owned an automobile. There were 1,200 separate electric street and interurban railways, a thriving and profitable industry with 44,000 miles of track, 300,000 employees, 15 billion annual passengers, and $1 billion in income. Virtually every city and town in America of more than 2,500 people had its own electric rail system.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]General Motors sought to reduce competition from electric railways through a variety of measures, including the use of freight leverage. GM, for decades, was the nation's largest shipper of freight over railroads, which controlled some of America's most extensive railways. By wielding freight traffic as a club, GM persuaded railroads to abandon their electric rail subsidiaries.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]With a pack of notorious mobsters, GM helped purchase and scrap the street railways serving Minneapolis-St. Paul.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Members of GM's special unit went to, among others, the Southern Pacific, owner of Los Angeles' Pacific Electric, the world's largest interurban, with 1,500 miles of track, reaching 75 miles from San Bernardino, north to San Fernando, and south to Santa Ana; the New York Central, owner of the New York State Railways, 600 miles of street railways and interurban lines in upstate New York; and the New Haven, owner of 1,500 miles of trolley lines in New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In each case, by threatening to divert lucrative automobile freight to rival carriers, they persuaded the railroad (according to GM's own files) to convert its electric street cars to motor buses -- slow, cramped, foul-smelling vehicles whose inferior performance invariable led riders to purchase automobiles.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As the largest depositor in the nation's leading banks, GM also enjoyed financial leverage over the electric railways, which relied heavily on these banks to supply their capital needs. According to U.S. Department of Justice documents, officials of GM visited banks used by railways in Philadelphia, Dallas, Kansas City and other locations, and, by offering them millions in additional deposits, persuaded their rail clients to convert to motor vehicles.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Where these measures were unavailing, GM formed holding companies to buy up and motorize the railways directly. Thus, it helped organize and finance United Cities Motor Transit as a wholly owned GM subsidiary, as well as Greyhound, Rex Finance, Omnibus Corporation, National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines, City Coach Lines, Manning Transportation and numerous other concerns, which acquired rail systems across the country, including those in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, St. Louis, Salt Lake City, Sacramento, San Diego and Oakland.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]With officials of Greyhound and National City, it helped acquire and dismantle the $50 million North Shore Line, the fastest electric service in the world, providing Wisconsin's lakeshore cities and Chicago's northern suburbs high-speed access to the downtown loop. With a pack of notorious mobsters, it helped purchase and scrap the street railways serving Minneapolis-St. Paul.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Where rail systems could not be bought, GM bought rail officials instead, giving Cadillacs to those who converted to buses.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And where rail systems were publicly owned and could not be bought, like the municipal railway of St. Petersburg, Florida, GM bought their officials instead, according to FBI files, providing complimentary Cadillacs to those who converted to buses.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GM admitted, in court documents, that by the mid-1950s, its agents had canvassed more than 1,000 electric railways and that, of these, they had motorized 90 percent, more than 900 systems.[/FONT]
 
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