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Spring Football - 2005 (mega-merge)

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Nevada, rather than putting you in a tough spot and commenting on one QB vs. another, can you describe each quarterback by a) what they did well b) what still needs work?
 
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agreed Nevada.....I have been amazed by the performance of the Offensive Line....Both talent and depth are there.....

and alex boone isn't in camp yet.....jim cordle, who is going to prom soon, is so far ahead of expectations it is scary...
 
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I wasn't there...so I can go on what I'm told(and I did ask the question)..


Troy Smith was in "command" of the offense and looked good passing and running...

Justin Zwick goes through his progressions nicely, has a nice touch on the ball, and is surpisingly mobile....Troy and Justin are still "neck and neck" in most of the coaching staff's view....

Boeckman is a good prospect but still has a ways to go...those that are calling for TB to be a player in this quarterback derby this year(unless Smith and Zwick go down) are nuts...
 
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From an OZone poster:

By Buckcyrus on 18:02:39 04/17/05

Few quick notes, not in any priority fashion:

No doubt the O did great but the scoring was definitely "biased " for those results. Sometimes I'd look up and there would be another point added with no discernible results on the field. But clearly every good play was counted.

IMO the O won, but the D was alos quite good.

On O:

Boekman looked good but is quite a distance behind Zwick and Smith. Runs well though when needed.

But he fumbled twice...one was recovered by either him or a RB (could not tell ) and one by the D ...both bad decsions by him. Good passes though.

Zwick looked very good as did Smith. I'd rate it a tossup today, but IMO JZ played better than he did in the Alamo Bowl.

Smith in fairness seemed to get fewer reps and ran more, but he looked in command too.

It is clear we have 2 very capable QBs. Smith once again made yards from broken plays .

Both RBs looked good. a tossup IMO.

Best looking OL I've seen conditioning wise in maybe 8-10 years....lean and faster...great blocking.

Our WRs looked outstanding.
Lyons had the most reps and looked good , Holmes played little as did Ginn.

As noted here, Ginn had a dazzling 40 (?) yd catch and run w maybe 2-3 big studs having him and whiffing after 2-3 spins. I'd add the tackling was iffy but Ginn can do that to a D.

IMO the most impressive player was Marcel Frost. He was a monster, made plays and will be a force. TE is solid and deep.

BTW the hit by Whitmer on Lyons was wo question the hardest I've ever seen adn HEARD in the stadium....it sounded like an explosion.

There were initial yells/cheers followed by genuine concern and applause when he got up. He did return. (IIRC he jogged off on his own-looke dlike he was knocked unconscious)\

Bolcking was great by Johnson. Nicol looked excellent too.

D

IMO the guy who really made a statement was Lukens ...he had 2 ITs and a ferocious hit on a WR (not sure who-could not get the name)was everywhere.

The 1st D seemed not to be in much (IMO less than the 1Offense).

Richardson and Green were very tough. Carpenter played briefly hawk a bit more.

FG kicking was IMO excellent. Seemed like 4 (?) from about 40ish w only one miss (I left when score was in 80s).

Bottom line:

We are friggin loaded.
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OZoner's observations from the scrimmage
 
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NevadaBuck said:
I wasn't there...so I can go on what I'm told(and I did ask the question)..


Troy Smith was in "command" of the offense and looked good passing and running...

Justin Zwick goes through his progressions nicely, has a nice touch on the ball, and is surpisingly mobile....Troy and Justin are still "neck and neck" in most of the coaching staff's view....

Boeckman is a good prospect but still has a ways to go...those that are calling for TB to be a player in this quarterback derby this year(unless Smith and Zwick go down) are nuts...
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Perfect, thanks nevada. This is exactly what I was looking for... and I agree with alan that we should seek to keep Tressel's hopes of keeping sensitive under lock and key until it sneaks up on the horns and everyone else.
 
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two things...

eric haw on the stretch is a thing of beauty....i cant describe the explosion....

and with the ozone post another confirmation of the offensive line....i'm telling you....the attitude these guys have scares the bejeevies out of me just to be standing near them....swagger...
 
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I shouldnt say "upset" - more like dissapointed.

On Bucknuts (ben updated) he states that the Defense didnt have enough turnovers and sacks. That you can earn points on negative plays, sacks and turnovers,yet we didnt have enough of those. He also said that we didnt cause enough havoc, or negative plays. Hawk also said that though he gives the credit where its due, the defense didnt tackle well. Marcus Green also had some words like, "I dont think the D Line, the Linebackers and the secondary went out there and competed today."

Im REALLY impressed with Houston hitting 2 of 3 - almost having 3 for 3 had his 50yarder not hit the uprights and deflected "no good". Kid looks like he may be ready to fill some big shoes.
 
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A few quotes that I don't think have been posted.... (added to the BN article)

“The highlight was we got so many reps and nobody got injured,” said OSU coach Jim Tressel. “Guys hung in there and got banged around. I think we went 170-some plays, which is probably more than a normal spring (jersey scrimmage). I hope we have some guys left over for next Saturday.”

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“There weren’t enough turnovers from a defensive standpoint and not enough sacks,” Tressel said. “The way they can earn points is on negative plays, sacks and turnovers. They didn’t cause enough of those. There were a lot of things that contributed to that. We held them to a lot of things defensively just to look at them. We kept some guys out of some series to look at some other guys.

“The only way you can win that scrimmage if you’re on defense is you have to force some sacks and some turnovers and get some big plays and not allow any big plays. One time before the score was out of hand, the defense had them on a third down. The quarterback made a play to Teddy (Ginn), and all of a sudden Teddy turned it into a touchdown. It was probably an eight- or nine-point swing there.

“We held some defensive guys out at times and limited some of what they could do. I’m not sure it’s quite the measuring stick it appears.”

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Tressel was asked if he was seeing progress from the offensive line.

“I’d like to think that’s the case,” he said. “We’ll tell when we watch the film, but it seemed like there were a few less times the quarterbacks were under duress than in other jersey scrimmages.”

Generally Speaking

* Tressel on the offense -- “A lot of guys got a lot of work. There’s nobody out there who you would say is perfect. A guy like (Antonio) Pittman showed that he is progressing. I was pleased with all the quarterbacks. They all did some good things. I felt good about the effort. I think they made some plays, some big plays. I think we got some people on the field with some speed who can hurt you if we execute. We didn’t have very many negative plays. We had some penalties that were disappointing. On defense, we have to cause more havoc.”

* Tressel on the quarterbacks -- “All of them got the same amount of drive starts. Then, it was dependent on how long they held the ball.”

* Wide receivers Santonio Holmes and Roy Hall were sidelined – Tressel said they would likely be conservative with Holmes for next Saturday’s Scarlet and Gray Game. Regarding Hall, he said, “We’re looking to get guys who can make plays on the field. We’ve had Roy some at tailback and he can play the inside receiver stuff and the outside receiver stuff. We’d like to get as much speed on the field as well. I thought Roy had a great spring and then he got dinged on Thursday. Nothing serious. I don’t know if he’ll be ready on Saturday or not.”

* Tressel on what he was looking for at quarterback -- “Number one is taking care of the football. Guys did a good job of throwing it away when nothing was there. They did a good job of pulling it down and running and making some yards. Then, they delivered it where it needed to be.”

* Tressel on some play makers in the scrimmage -- “Pittman, because he had the ball in his hands, did some good things. Teddy Ginn had a very good Teddy Ginn-type play. Albert Dukes and Devon Lyons showed that they are going to be helpful. Tony Gonzalez also did well. Defensively, Donte Whitner had a couple good hits, Nate Salley, A.J. (Hawk) was all over the place.”

* Tressel on Haw -- “Early on his unit did not run it as much so he didn’t get that many carries. But the last two series he was in, he probably had 15 carries and really looked good, I thought.”

* Tressel on the situation at the boundary corner -- “They were limited some by some of the coverages we had. But Sirjo Welch, Michael Roberts and Shaun Lane all got in there and did some good things. We are hoping on Tuesday that Tyler Everett can get in there a little bit and also Saturday at corner.”

* Lyons in being victimized by Whitner – “He caught me slipping. It was a nice play. It was not cheap or nothing. That’s just part of the game and you have to be used to it.”

* Smith on the play of the offense – “We have a good defense and to do that against them, I think that shows the sky is the limit as to what we might do against anybody else. We will look at things internally for any changes we need to make and just try and make the offense better.”

* Center Nick Mangold on the situation at quarterback – “I think we know we’ve got three guys who can play quarterback. It is kind of interesting to see them mix it around. It is nice to know the coaches feel we can put any of the three in there and not miss a beat. I have full confidence in all three of them.”

* Hawk on the play of the defense – “There were some good things that happened today. We have to give the defense credit. They played pretty well. They took advantage of some situations. They took advantage of some match-ups with Teddy and with Troy running the ball. We didn’t really tackle as well as we should have. If you don’t do that, you will give them extra yards, and that’s what we did today.”

* Haw on getting a chance to play – “It was beautiful to get out there in the groove, but afterwards you feel those bumps and bruises. It’s always a source of pride to win the jerseys. I had some good runs here and there. No long runs, but some 10’s and sevens. No turnovers, so that was a key for me.”

* Defensive tackle Marcus Green on the defense’s effort – “For us, it’s disappointing. We are all competitors, but I don’t think the defensive line, the linebackers and secondary went out there and competed today – not as much as the offense did, obviously. Any time, no matter where it is, you want to do as well as you can.”

* Defensive coordinator Mark Snyder, who is leaving to become the head coach at Marshall, returned to observe the scrimmage. He stayed to watch the film of the scrimmage and was then headed back to Marshall to begin his work there.
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BuckinMichigan said:
For those of you with some contacts, can you attribute some of the defensive performance to adjusting to a new DC or were they just outplayed?
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From personnel to playcalling, the defense was put in various positions that heavily favored the offense. Beyond suring up tackling, the defense was fine today.
 
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