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cincibuck;1788116; said:
Let me see if I follow the logic here; Denard hasn't faced a good defense because he's played against Notre Dame -- a team the Big 10 has all but begged to join the conference
Notre Dame is horrific defensively, the numbers bare that out. What does the B10 "begging" them to join have to do with their shitty defense?
-- and Indiana a conference member
Another abomination defensively. I'm still not sure what the B10 has to do with their ability to field a compitent defense. Did you see that game? They looked like a HS defense...
-- UConn a team most BP posters picked to kick Michigan's ass
Once again, I'm not sure what some BP members preseason predictions have to do with the quality of that team. They're a middling Big East team and would be a B10 bottom 3-4.
and U Mass because they're like Marshall or OU or EMU but with different names and jerseys
UMass is an FCS team, you can put all the lipstick you want on that pig, it ain't gonna help. Are they on the level of a Marshall or an OU? I don't know, but once again, what that has to do with the quality of their defense totally escapes me...the numbers are all there. Those teams are bad.

You've tried this logic multiple times and it continues to fall flat. The bottom line is shoelaces, while he has been undeniably spectacular, has not faces one team that has anything resembling a competent defense. Why you can't understand how people might be skeptical of his accomplishments is a little strange.
 
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BB73;1787661; said:
That makes sense now. I hadn't thought about replay challenges.

Since phone calls are legal from outside the stadium, I guess I'm ready to volunteer to have be on JT's speed dial for calling timeouts and making replay challenges. :tongue2:

In terms of instant replay, I don't feel theres anything wrong with getting outside communication because the replay is supposed to get the call right to begin with. So it should be reviewed anyway if the refs are doing their job.


I think the rule exists WITHIN the stadium to keep there from being contact between people planted in locations where they might be apt to steal signals or play calls from the opposing team.
 
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cincibuck;1788116; said:
Let me see if I follow the logic here; Denard hasn't faced a good defense because he's played against Notre Dame -- a team the Big 10 has all but begged to join the conference -- and Indiana a conference member -- UConn a team most BP posters picked to kick Michigan's ass and U Mass because they're like Marshall or OU or EMU but with different names and jerseys -- and during this time Denard has run up unGodly numbers even in comparison to the numbers a certain QB from another B10 team has posted, but Denard's numbers don't count because, well, they came against those teams that don't count, unlike EMU, Ohio U and Marshall, who do count, and now he's going to get his comeuppance because Michigan is going to play Michigan State, a team that just blew Notre Dame out of the water, while Dennard had to get lucky and score a last second TD to beat the same team.

Am I close there?

Hey, I love Terrell and the Buckeyes, but let's put some perspective on this.

I don't remember mentioning TP's name there, so I'm not sure why you quoted me and acted like I said TP's were legit.

I was very critical of TP's passing against Miami, btw. I've been dinged plenty for not wearing Scarlet glasses.. check the Troy Smith thread for example. And the Bauserman vs. Guiton thread.. all I said here was that everyone needs to wait and see what he can do against a decent defense before making any assumptions either way. I was talking about Buckeye fans too, and I even said that.

So, I'm confused at why you quoted me.
 
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NFBuck;1788125; said:
Notre Dame is horrific defensively, the numbers bare that out. What does the B10 "begging" them to join have to do with their shitty defense?

Another abomination defensively. I'm still not sure what the B10 has to do with their ability to field a compitent defense. Did you see that game? They looked like a HS defense...

Once again, I'm not sure what some BP members preseason predictions have to do with the quality of that team. They're a middling Big East team and would be a B10 bottom 3-4.

UMass is an FCS team, you can put all the lipstick you want on that pig, it ain't gonna help. Are they on the level of a Marshall or an OU? I don't know, but once again, what that has to do with the quality of their defense totally escapes me...the numbers are all there. Those teams are bad.

You've tried this logic multiple times and it continues to fall flat. The bottom line is shoelaces, while he has been undeniably spectacular, has not faces one team that has anything resembling a competent defense. Why you can't understand how people might be skeptical of his accomplishments is a little strange.

Dennard has been off to a great start and I intend to give him credit for that --

then when the buckeyes beat him they will have accomplished something and not just defeated a Michigan team that got by on luck and the fact that they didn't play anybody. And, should the unbelievable happen, and Dennard has a Biachumafucka day against the bucks and OSU loses, I will be able to say, "well, it took a hell of a player having a hell of a day to do it."

Hey, and while you're at it, one of these two teams has an awful defense and one has an outstanding defense, one of these two teams has an outstanding offense and the other has been mediocre at best, leaving all kinds of points on the floor agains opponents both good and mediocre. In fact one defense has been so good as to put that offense in great field position consistently while the other offense has to start from wherever the kick off play ends up.
 
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cincibuck;1788157; said:
Dennard has been off to a great start and I intend to give him credit for that --

There is such a thing as giving TOO MUCH credit for beating inferior opponents. Don't fall for the eSPIN spin....

then when the buckeyes beat him they will have accomplished something and not just defeated a Michigan team that got by on luck and the fact that they didn't play anybody. And, should the unbelievable happen, and Dennard has a Biachumafucka day against the bucks and OSU loses, I will be able to say, "well, it took a hell of a player having a hell of a day to do it."

I don't personally give a shit if scUM is 0-11 or 11-0 going into The Game and I don't really care who or what scUM beat to get to that point. I couldn't give a shit less about what the Pundiots think about scUM or Ohio State at that point either.

Hey, and while you're at it, one of these two teams has an awful defense and one has an outstanding defense, one of these two teams has an outstanding offense and the other has been mediocre at best, leaving all kinds of points on the floor agains opponents both good and mediocre.

:huh:
 
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Robinson is a great player, the Michigan OFFENSE though has executed at a superb level. I think if Denard has been "overrated" in any way its him taking too much of the credit for how good Michigan has been executing on O.

Will he be able to effortlessly score and rack up those kind of yards on better teams? Of course not, just like we aren't going to be able to go out and score 45+ on the better teams in the Big Ten. What you expect is to see Michigan's defense be able to play better then they have been against these inferior opponents. When they have to face even better teams it won't matter how well Denard plays he won't be able to do enough if his D can't get off the field.
 
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JBaney45;1788164; said:
Robinson is a great player, the Michigan OFFENSE though has executed at a superb level. I think if Denard has been "overrated" in any way its him taking too much of the credit for how good Michigan has been executing on O.

Has Robinson been taking the credit or has it been GIVEN to him? I see it was a case of Robinson taking what is there (and he has the skills to exploit what the defense gives him), and the mediots heaping tons of praise on him for it.
 
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cincibuck;1788157; said:
Dennard has been off to a great start and I intend to give him credit for that --

then when the buckeyes beat him they will have accomplished something and not just defeated a Michigan team that got by on luck and the fact that they didn't play anybody. And, should the unbelievable happen, and Dennard has a Biachumafucka day against the bucks and OSU loses, I will be able to say, "well, it took a hell of a player having a hell of a day to do it."

Hey, and while you're at it, one of these two teams has an awful defense and one has an outstanding defense, one of these two teams has an outstanding offense and the other has been mediocre at best, leaving all kinds of points on the floor agains opponents both good and mediocre. In fact one defense has been so good as to put that offense in great field position consistently while the other offense has to start from wherever the kick off play ends up.
464.4 ypg (21st in the country) and 44.2 ppg (8th) is mediocre now? It never ceases to amaze me how fickle tOSU fans are when it comes to the offense. They actually seek out reasons to complain. One bad week on a windy field against an opponent who traditionally gives them fits and many are ready to piss away four weeks good will. Amazing. For the record, I know some of those numbers were put up against bad teams as well, but in the past tOSU would not run them up...they also put up big time numbers against Miami, who has the #12 defense in the country...something denard and scUM have yet to sniff.

As for the denard stuff, we'll just have to accept we have different viewpoints. I hope those fuckers lose every time out.
 
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NFBuck;1788167; said:
464.4 ypg (21st in the country) and 44.2 ppg (8th) is mediocre now? It never ceases to amaze me how fickle tOSU fans are when it comes to the offense. They actually seek out reasons to complain. One bad week on a windy field against an opponent who traditionally gives them fits and many are ready to piss away four weeks good will. Amazing.

As for the denard stuff, we'll just have to accept we have different viewpoints. I hope those fuckers lose every time out.

Illinois does NOT have a bad defense. It is significantly better than the best defense that scUM has faced so far (UCONN at #51 in total defense, Illinois is #37 while also allowing 6 fewer TDs in 1 less game). Add to that the game last Saturday was their super bowl, their coach is coaching for his coaching life (Zooker won't get another HC job after this one) and, right as TP might have gotten it going, he got injured.

Take it for what it was - a tough game, the first on the road against a good defense.

scUM hasn't faced that yet. scUM faces its first top 40 defense (BTW Illinois is ranked slight better than Sparty).....we'll see what happens.
 
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Wow. Just hand DR the heisman right now the way some are pimping him.

This will be the toughest game that UM has had to date. It is a rivalry game, and that in itself is huge. DR has put up some amazing numbers so far, but now that teams have a good amount of film on this O, I am willing to bet that those numbers start to come back to planet earth very quickly.

I am not sure if anyone has rewatched any of the games (what can I say, I have not much of a life during college football season :biggrin:), but if you take a look at the play calling, RR is pulling a Tressel by running the same few plays over and over until the opposing D stops them.

The passes DR has thrown to date have not been all that great, and actually many look like TPs lame ducks he tossed the last two years, but because DR is such a running threat, the WR/TE/RB he is shot putting to have been WIDE OPEN by yards, not just feet, which means he only needed to get it in an area, not a tight spot for the receiving player to make a catch. (just watch the IU game again, Roundtree and Hemingway made some great plays to make DR look good. I can't find a YAC stat anywhere for college football, but I would have to guess that 70%+ of DRs passing yards are YAC and not actual air yardage) The kids is a freak of an athlete with his legs, but has yet to really prove anything through the air.

I think MSU's DL will really test the zone blocking schemes that UM runs and will put pressure on DR that he has yet to see this year. If DR has to try to win this game with his arm, I see TF coming in as DR is not as polished a passer as some want to believe.

IMO, if MSU's DL/LB can keep DR under 100 yds running, they win comfortably.
 
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