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So who do Buckeye fans think Michigan should hire

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There was the opening prediction of shedding a loser for a coach

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...for a return to a golden era, so long remembered...

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...a new juggernaut would be born...

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...and scenes like this....

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...would be the source of Buckeye embarrassment...

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...and an annual flood of Buckeye tears.

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We told you that this guy didn't seem to have what it took and that the spread he brought to Ann Arbor may be more graphic than you would like. But, no, we were fools.

The result, which has been so clear to most TSUN fans after the first season, is now very clear...

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...so, who's your daddy?

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WolverineMike;1852586; said:
well, thanks for the one or two serious responses.
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Oh, you wanted serious answers :blush:

Les would recruit better for what is needed in the B10 than rr, not sure who wouldn't though.

About anyone would be a better coach in the B10, because they would understand that you need a defense, as well as an offense to win in all but the weakest leagues.

Getting a big name to AA will not be easy, one look at that roster, and knowing this years recruiting season is about over, and a coach would need a pretty long term deal to feel comfortable.

Patterson would be great, but he's not leaving TCU, Harbaugh, nope, Peterson, not sure, his teams play physical, but why go someplace where it will be a lot more difficult to not fail.

Looks like it may be between Miles and Hoke. I don't think scUM fans would be happy with any coach more unknown than Hoke. Can Hoke do it, not a great track record, but has built up programs. Les is not known as a great coach, and will his recruiting be as good at scUM without the built in advantage of being next door to Texas, and being the big dog in Lousiana, oh and he'd only be allowed to sign 25 a year.
 
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Mike,

I have no idea who you guys should hire. Whoever it is has a tough job in front of them though. From an outsiders perspective it looks like your program is in shambles. By missing out on Harbaugh you guys missed out on the one best chance you had of fixing the mess in a straightforward, linear way.

I don't think you have much of a shot of hiring an established, winning coach from a big-time school (Les Miles excepted) simply because of how deeply in the ditch the program is.

I don't think Les Miles is up to the challenge. He doesn't strike me as the kind of coach able to address all the things Michigan faces. At LSU, he has a ready-made recruiting base that is deep and rich. It's a pretty easy thing to recruit Louisiana kids to LSU. As an on-the-field coach he's not the strongest X and O guy and his staff is kind of random. He's never stepped into a rebuilding situation.

As an Arkansas fan, I have mixed feelings about him leaving. On one hand, He's so entertaining in a 'crazy uncle' sort of way - I'd miss that - and he doesn't really inspire fear in opponents. Put him in a situation where he doesn't have the talent he's got at LSU, and he's Ron Zook. On the other hand, watching LSU go through a coaching search and the potential that they'd hire another Gerry Dinardo is kind of titillating. So, I'm torn.

I have no clue about Brady Hoke.

Beyond those three names, no one really jumps out as "the guy" with all the tools necessary to rebuild a once proud program.

While I was mostly joking about Houston Nutt, if you look at his track record closely, that's exactly what he's good at - coming into a program that's down, getting them to believe in themselves and start winning again. He's also a 'crazy uncle' type of guy in some regards but he could come in and turn things around quickly. He's certainly not a long-term solution though and he'd never lead you to the promised land.

But if you hired Houston Nutt, I would LOL and LOL and LOL until my head fell off.

I'd take a look at Kirby Smart and Gus Malzahn. Both are great coaches who are ready to step up to head coaching positions. Soon, someone is going to give both of those guys a shot and will be glad they did.

Regardless of who you guys hire, I hope it's a good one. The Big Ten needs Michigan to be a strong, winning program again for the strength of the conference.
 
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Jaxbuck;1852666; said:
[censored] that. Nebraska or Penn State can get back to the top and fill that role.

The world needs ditch diggers too.
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The OSU/Michigan rivalry is just about irrelevant at this point, and that's a shame from any perspective other than OSU's.

It's no fun watching you guys buttsecks them into Bolivia year after year.

Penn State has a rough time ahead of them. After JoePa retires, they'll have a hard time getting back up. The guy following the Legend almost invariably fails. So after he retires, they have another 5-7 years of heartache ahead of them.

Nebraska will never be anything other than a a team that falls just short as long as BoPelini (his name should always be pronounce as one word) is Head Coach.

The Big Ten needs a strong second team and College Football needs the OSU/Michigan rivalry to be relevant - as does OSU.
 
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The problem, Mike, that I see is I have to think there are few established coaches who want to monkey around with a rebuilding at this point in their established careers. Thus, it's my belief several "targets" are pretty well already off the table.

Meaning, Mich will have to find a guy who can re-build a program. This might take two forms

The guy who rebuilds and moves on
The guy who rebuilds and stays.

In my view, you want a lifer. I don't know much about Hoke, but from all I hear he would view Mich as his dream job (lifer) and he has taken shit football teams and turned them into relatively competitive groups (Ball State wasn't going to compete for national titles, but they were competitive with their peers). I also know there is concern about him - but frankly I don't know what they are. I have to assume they are Xs and Os, but I dont know.

LEM is a possibility as well, obviously. I'm with Smoov, though. I just don't know that he's up to the task of rebuilding a program that is not tailor made for winning (ie strong recruiting base right outside his door). Not to mention - if you've watched LSU football, LEM's decision making is .... unbelievably weird.... and his clock management is worse. Mich fans will point to LSU's win over Ohio State. They'll ignore the better comparable - Oklahoma State. (Mich feels they are on LSU's level. In my opinion, they're not even at Oky State's level right now). That said, I think LEM would at least put a competent product on the field.

The severe damage that has been done by the RR era puts Michigan in a significant hole. I don't know of any candidate that jumps off the page as a "slam dunk" hire. If I were you, I'd be worried about Brandon's ability to find the diamond in the rough. It seems to me, you have to find the guy who loves Michigan more than money, more than other lucrative opportunities and etc. Basically, you have to find Jim Tressel, Michigan version. I have little confidence that Dave Brandon is the guy to dig that needle out of the haystack.

And even with JT - he didn't inherit a program without any special teams or defense and a offense filled with guys who are... frankly... not built for Big Ten football. If he had.. well... I'm not sure we would have given him time. And that's what Michigan's going to need.
 
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Screw you guys & your serious answers!

Dagnabbit...ok here we go...

For TSUN over the past 50 years their success has been measured by how well they recruit their better looking neighbor to the south.

If you guys want to see a successful program up in the whore then you need to find a coach who 1. Understands & respects your program (that doesn't mean he has to be alum) and 2. Is familiar with the region (in general) and Ohio (specifically) finally 3. He needs to have ties with Ohio HS coaches and be capable of rebuilding the bridges that were burned by the previous half witted administration.

Now I feel dirty.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1852683; said:
The problem, Mike, that I see is I have to think there are few established coaches who want to monkey around with a rebuilding at this point in their established careers. Thus, it's my belief several "targets" are pretty well already off the table.

Meaning, Mich will have to find a guy who can re-build a program. This might take two forms

The guy who rebuilds and moves on
The guy who rebuilds and stays.

In my view, you want a lifer. I don't know much about Hoke, but from all I hear he would view Mich as his dream job (lifer) and he has taken shit football teams and turned them into relatively competitive groups (Ball State wasn't going to compete for national titles, but they were competitive with their peers). I also know there is concern about him - but frankly I don't know what they are. I have to assume they are Xs and Os, but I dont know.

LEM is a possibility as well, obviously. I'm with Smoov, though. I just don't know that he's up to the task of rebuilding a program that is not tailor made for winning (ie strong recruiting base right outside his door). Not to mention - if you've watched LSU football, LEM's decision making is .... unbelievably weird.... and his clock management is worse. Mich fans will point to LSU's win over Ohio State. They'll ignore the better comparable - Oklahoma State. (Mich feels they are on LSU's level. In my opinion, they're not even at Oky State's level right now). That said, I think LEM would at least put a competent product on the field.

The severe damage that has been done by the RR era puts Michigan in a significant hole. I don't know of any candidate that jumps off the page as a "slam dunk" hire. If I were you, I'd be worried about Brandon's ability to find the diamond in the rough. It seems to me, you have to find the guy who loves Michigan more than money, more than other lucrative opportunities and etc. Basically, you have to find Jim Tressel, Michigan version. I have little confidence that Dave Brandon is the guy to dig that needle out of the haystack.

And even with JT - he didn't inherit a program without any special teams or defense and a offense filled with guys who are... frankly... not built for Big Ten football. If he had.. well... I'm not sure we would have given him time. And that's what Michigan's going to need.
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THIS.

Finding a coach who:

1) loves U of M football more than money
2) actually has real Div 1 coaching ability *ahem* all 3 phases of the game *ahem*
3) embraces The Game and makes it his #1 goal
4) can recruit his ass off and get mich the talent to compete for a NC
5) has what it takes to rebuild and still keep the mich family happy while doing it

is going to be a lot harder to find than you would think.

Honestly, Harbaugh was the guy for the job but... Point #1

Hoke, my only question is #4

Is there a guy out there that can do all that? Sure there is. I just don't think the guy looking for him is going to find him. Mich's real problem is Brandon doesn't have a clue. During his presser all I could think was this guy is the next one to get fired. IMO it would take nothing short of a miracle for DB to find the right guy. His legacy as mich AD is on the line with this hiring. Good luck.
 
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