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I've been wanting to comment on this for awhile, but have held back.
There are too many Central Ohio kids in there. No southerners and only 1 Californian. The Buckeyes are not going to the next level until they recruit nationally. Nothing against our kids in Columbus, but we aren't exactly the hotbed of HS baseball talent.
There are too many Central Ohio kids in there. No southerners and only 1 Californian. The Buckeyes are not going to the next level until they recruit nationally. Nothing against our kids in Columbus, but we aren't exactly the hotbed of HS baseball talent.
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JCOSU86;1302922; said:
couldnt agree more and it's very frustrating since im a huge baseball fan
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OSUChinMusic
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I don't believe that any of you are very informed about these issues as they pertain to Division 1 baseball. This isn't football and there are not 85 scholarships available to scatter around the country to intice these "southerners" to come play in the snow. There are 11.7 scholarships total for the entire roster, and now there is a 35 player limit on all rosters that took effect this year. Most of these kids, from Ohio or PA, are all-state and just as talented as many of the "southerners", but have to battle the weather etc. and do not play year round. Todd has to take these kids with the same ability, and get them ready INDOORS, to play a national schedule starting in February. So how many of you would send your kids to OSU from Florida or Texas with just that in mind, just so they could get an Ohio State degree?
Todd has done a tremendous job, based on everything involved, gotten a national start date in place, not what he wanted, but better. Won championships and made Ohio State baseball recognized nationally in several different ways, including having these "local" players drafted into the pros. Yes there are "local" players on the roster, many who would have come to Ohio State becasue they grew up wanting nothing more than to be a Buckeye, and many have had tremendous success. Or do all of you forget the kids that were just drafted in the past couple years. Fryer - local, DeLucia - local, Angle - local, Shuck (marion)- local. I could go on and on. All local kids, and do you think they were drafted by professional baseball team because they were anything other than GOOD ENOUGH?????
There is a lot of talent in Ohio and Todd tradionally gets the best available, then molds it, albeit his way, and gets a final product that is attractive to professional baseball teams. Seems like all of you have so much to complain about.
Why do all of you plop in the video tape of the OSU - Southern Cal football game and gripe about something tangible. Other than that, come out to Bill Davis and watch some trerrific college baseball and cheer for these "local" kids.
Todd has done a tremendous job, based on everything involved, gotten a national start date in place, not what he wanted, but better. Won championships and made Ohio State baseball recognized nationally in several different ways, including having these "local" players drafted into the pros. Yes there are "local" players on the roster, many who would have come to Ohio State becasue they grew up wanting nothing more than to be a Buckeye, and many have had tremendous success. Or do all of you forget the kids that were just drafted in the past couple years. Fryer - local, DeLucia - local, Angle - local, Shuck (marion)- local. I could go on and on. All local kids, and do you think they were drafted by professional baseball team because they were anything other than GOOD ENOUGH?????
There is a lot of talent in Ohio and Todd tradionally gets the best available, then molds it, albeit his way, and gets a final product that is attractive to professional baseball teams. Seems like all of you have so much to complain about.
Why do all of you plop in the video tape of the OSU - Southern Cal football game and gripe about something tangible. Other than that, come out to Bill Davis and watch some trerrific college baseball and cheer for these "local" kids.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
You are correct there is a lot of baseball talent in Ohio and so why does Coach Todd:( just seem to center on the guys from the local Columbus area. The baseball facilities at Ohio State are second to none in the Big 10 and that should help getting more Ohio talent or even talent from states that are north of the Mason-Dixon. I I would think with our facilities and the support that Todd has gotten from the athletic department then he could win a few more Big 10 championships. I really don't care how many guys he sends to the major leagues because that is not his purpose at Ohio State. He needs to go out and do some serious selling of the baseball facilities at Ohio State and bring in some good recruits.OSUChinMusic;1303082; said:
I have no idea what watching the OSU/USC game on "tape" in November has to do with the lack of Todd:! getting his butt on the recruiting trail.
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I disagree with this post on several points.OSUChinMusic;1303082; said:
1. Just because they are local and have wanted to be Buckeyes their whole life, doesn't mean they should be. OSU needs the very best. Locals are fine, but to get to the next level they need to be great.
2. Baseball in the snow. Well, what can I say about this? Kind of like getting Florida guys to come up and play football?
3. Todd hasn't gotten lax in the last few years and it has shown on the field. They must get out of Franklin County in recruiting. Getting the best recruits out of Ohio is great, but he isn't getting them.
4. Don't judge on the number of players that have been drafted in MLB. There is what, 50 rounds? I don't know but it is a hell of a lot.
5. I will ALWAYS root for Ohio State baseball, but sitting by quietly and not expecting the best is not doing the program any favors.
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DontHateOState
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JCOSU86;1303324; said:
1. The great talent is being drafted into the league out of high school.
2. Baseball in the snow is a hell of a lot different than football. Baseball isn't meant for three inches of snow on the ground and 30 degree days.
3. I agree.
4. Don't really understand this argument.
5. The program is never going to be a Florida or Cal. We should be swinging for best in the Big Ten, though.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
There are quite a few high school baseball players who are pretty good and if drafted need to be sold by the college baseball coach that an education can be pretty valuable. Not all of those kids drafted get a ton of money. The best high school baseball player out of Cleveland is going to Georgia Tech and he was either a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.DontHateOState;1303346; said:
Again, you have to sell the kid on the program and you don't always have to get kids from the warm weather states. There are plenty of states that border Ohio where there is good high school baseball played. How does Minnesota and UM get so many good players?
I differ. I think he has gotten a little lazy when it comes to recruiting.
As I stated above, there are so many rounds in the MLB draft you have to so kids on the college program. Not all of these kids that are drafted are ever going to make it to the major leagues and you have to sell a college education.
Bad example. I think you might mean Texas or LSU or even the Carolinas and Georgia. Maybe Florida State was certainly not Florida or Cal.
Todd needs to get off of his butt and sell the program. He is living on laurels that are 10 years old or more.:(
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2. They won't play baseball in the snow. Even in Columbus.DontHateOState;1303346; said:
4. With 40/50/whatever rounds in the draft, is getting drafted all that big of a deal?
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OSUChinMusic
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Those who do, do. those who can't, sit back and criticize. You don't root for the Ohio State Baseball team, you sit back and wonder why they don't win the world series and then look to find somebody to blame. Everybody's not good enough. We want better kids. Like the minute you find a kid from Texas, well he must be better than anybody we have because of his address. You're all a joke. Who made any of you an expert in judging baseball talent? Nobody. Who made any of you a college baseball coach, recruiter, scout? Nobody. And what of the kid's character? You would have a bunch like the basketball team had 10 years ago, and overlook the team crimewave?? Sure, as long as they win baseball games.
There are some pretty talented and special kids, that work their as* off, not to please any of you, but to represent Ohio State and be role models for the kids who look up to them. And I bet that any one of you would watch a "local kid" sign with another school and then change your argument from "he recruits all local kids" (which isnt true), to "he can't keep the local kids here". There is no pleasing some people, so go about your business. You give to a community as much as Todd and his staff has given and it still isn't enough. I'm done with you.
And yes we do play in snow. 3 times in the past 2 years, to be exact the game weather report was "flurries". And I sat in them, so don't tell me we don't play in snow.
And my gawd. Is getting drafted into the pros a big deal? Not to you obviously because you certainly weren't, but yes it is a big deal.
And OK Shuck - Galion. Marion. That was Luebke. Close enough, its local. Or was that 1st round draft choice a bad recruiting move by Todd too? Oh yea Swisher lived in Worthington. Way too close, Todd should have never had him on the team. Go get some surfer from California or Florida, gotta be better than Swisher, he's just some local kid.
Ok now I'm done. Like I said, you can't please some people no matter what.
There are some pretty talented and special kids, that work their as* off, not to please any of you, but to represent Ohio State and be role models for the kids who look up to them. And I bet that any one of you would watch a "local kid" sign with another school and then change your argument from "he recruits all local kids" (which isnt true), to "he can't keep the local kids here". There is no pleasing some people, so go about your business. You give to a community as much as Todd and his staff has given and it still isn't enough. I'm done with you.
And yes we do play in snow. 3 times in the past 2 years, to be exact the game weather report was "flurries". And I sat in them, so don't tell me we don't play in snow.
And my gawd. Is getting drafted into the pros a big deal? Not to you obviously because you certainly weren't, but yes it is a big deal.
And OK Shuck - Galion. Marion. That was Luebke. Close enough, its local. Or was that 1st round draft choice a bad recruiting move by Todd too? Oh yea Swisher lived in Worthington. Way too close, Todd should have never had him on the team. Go get some surfer from California or Florida, gotta be better than Swisher, he's just some local kid.
Ok now I'm done. Like I said, you can't please some people no matter what.
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And those who can't discuss rationally, attack.OSUChinMusic;1304041; said:
This is an unacceptable response. Feel free to find another site that isn't full of whiners. I suggest Bucknuts.
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CleveBucks
Serenity now
Swisher was from Parkersburg WV.
Todd's biggest problem, as has already been mentioned here, is that he goes after a few kids from Franklin County, a few from D4 in small-town Ohio, and occasionally a kid from Cincinnati or out of state. Seems like every year half the class is from Central Ohio. Would it kill him to even go up to the Cleveland area? There's some good programs up there that put out kids left and right. Ignatius, Walsh, Ed's, etc. If they're good enough for Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Notre Dame, Louisville, Coastal Carolina, NC State, Birmingham Southern, and Oklahoma State (and heck, half the MAC, because OSU is on par with the upper MAC schools lately) then they're good enough for Bob Todd to try and give them a look if he can be bothered away from his gardening and yearly trips to Hawaii.
Sure, he will hit on some good Ohio players but he's missing on a lot more, while plenty of talented kids that couldn't get a whiff are heading off to better programs in and out of state.
Todd's biggest problem, as has already been mentioned here, is that he goes after a few kids from Franklin County, a few from D4 in small-town Ohio, and occasionally a kid from Cincinnati or out of state. Seems like every year half the class is from Central Ohio. Would it kill him to even go up to the Cleveland area? There's some good programs up there that put out kids left and right. Ignatius, Walsh, Ed's, etc. If they're good enough for Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Notre Dame, Louisville, Coastal Carolina, NC State, Birmingham Southern, and Oklahoma State (and heck, half the MAC, because OSU is on par with the upper MAC schools lately) then they're good enough for Bob Todd to try and give them a look if he can be bothered away from his gardening and yearly trips to Hawaii.
Sure, he will hit on some good Ohio players but he's missing on a lot more, while plenty of talented kids that couldn't get a whiff are heading off to better programs in and out of state.
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