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kujirakira said:
It wasn't a mistake what Tressel (who wasn't a great recruiter, but did lock up Ohio and was a better Coach overall imo) was able to do with that talent in his 2nd year.
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kujirakira said:
Cooper didn't focus a lot on Ohio... he was an outsider that came in and recruited nationally pulling phenoms like Shawn Springs.
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Shawn Springs was a legacy recruit. His father, Ron Springs, rushed for 2,140 yards at Ohio State, good for 20th best all-time (currently tied with Ezekiel Elliott).

Jaxbuck said:
For about 30 years 70's, 80's and 90's scUM took talent out of Ohio and was relevant

In 2001 someone shut off the spicket and their program hasn't been the same since
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Cooper will never be forgiven for losing Desmond Howard and Charles Woodson to Michigan, but he had lots of recruiting success in Ohio - Orlando Pace, Korey Stringer, Andy Katzenmoyer, Dan Wilkinson, Terry Glenn, Steve Tovar, Joey Galloway, Bobby Hoying, Antoine Winfield, Ahmed Plummer, Rob Murphy, Juan Porter, LeCharles Bentley, Jamar Martin, Michael Doss (and of course, Kirk Herbstreit). He also went national, especially into Florida, and the relationships which he began to develop are still helping Ohio State to this day.

On the other hand, Tressel's "fence around Ohio" is largely mythical. For his ten recruiting classes from 2002 to 2011, Tressel "lost" 20 top-5 prospects from Ohio to other schools (40%), including 7 to Michigan. And some of Tressel's best players were from out-of-state: James Laurinaitis, Malcolm Jenkins, Michael Brewster, Cameron Heyward, Ryan Shazier, Santonio Holmes, Chris Gamble, Chimdi Chekwa, Ashton Youboty, Vernon Gholston, Brian Rolle, Bradley Roby, and Terrelle Pryor.

Tressel gets a pass for his recruiting "failures" because he had a 9-1 record versus Michigan. Cooper's "failures" are magnified by his ineptitude versus Michigan, and by the fact that two of Michigan's all-time greatest players (Howard and Woodson) defected during his tenure. Both coaches were great recruiters, inside Ohio and nationally, and both lost many recruiting battles.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:

On the other hand, Tressel's "fence around Ohio" is largely mythical. For his ten recruiting classes from 2002 to 2011, Tressel "lost" 20 top-5 prospects from Ohio to other schools (40%), including 7 to Michigan. And some of Tressel's best players were from out-of-state: James Laurinaitis, Malcolm Jenkins, Michael Brewster, Cameron Heyward, Ryan Shazier, Santonio Holmes, Chris Gamble, Chimdi Chekwa, Ashton Youboty, Vernon Gholston, Brian Rolle, Bradley Roby, and Terrelle Pryor.

Tressel gets a pass for his recruiting "failures" because he had a 9-1 record versus Michigan. Cooper's "failures" are magnified by his ineptitude versus Michigan, and by the fact that two of Michigan's all-time greatest players (Howard and Woodson) defected during his tenure. Both coaches were great recruiters, inside Ohio and nationally, and both lost many recruiting battles.
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I know the numbers say some went to scUM from Ohio but there hasn't been an impact player go there from Ohio since 2001. All the great ones that have come out of Ohio since then and scUM has gotten the Crable, Burgess and Kalises of the world.

So in a sense the fence isn't mythical at all, the access to difference making talent from Ohio has dried up and they are feeling it.

Before Tressel Teddy Ginn was probably a Wolverine
 
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Buckeye Maniac said:
Really? Please explain.
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It was discussed quite a bit back then. Obviously its speculation but TG Sr sent his first big recruit to Lloyd Carr and scUM (name escapes me, LB).

Glenville being an OSU pipeline was mostly due to the relationship with Tress as I understood it but I am no insider, going from memory of the conversations of the day
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Shawn Springs was a legacy recruit. His father, Ron Springs, rushed for 2,140 yards at Ohio State, good for 20th best all-time (currently tied with Ezekiel Elliott).


Cooper will never be forgiven for losing Desmond Howard and Charles Woodson to Michigan, but he had lots of recruiting success in Ohio - Orlando Pace, Korey Stringer, Andy Katzenmoyer, Dan Wilkinson, Terry Glenn, Steve Tovar, Joey Galloway, Bobby Hoying, Antoine Winfield, Ahmed Plummer, Rob Murphy, Juan Porter, LeCharles Bentley, Jamar Martin, Michael Doss (and of course, Kirk Herbstreit). He also went national, especially into Florida, and the relationships which he began to develop are still helping Ohio State to this day.

On the other hand, Tressel's "fence around Ohio" is largely mythical. For his ten recruiting classes from 2002 to 2011, Tressel "lost" 20 top-5 prospects from Ohio to other schools (40%), including 7 to Michigan. And some of Tressel's best players were from out-of-state: James Laurinaitis, Malcolm Jenkins, Michael Brewster, Cameron Heyward, Ryan Shazier, Santonio Holmes, Chris Gamble, Chimdi Chekwa, Ashton Youboty, Vernon Gholston, Brian Rolle, Bradley Roby, and Terrelle Pryor.

Tressel gets a pass for his recruiting "failures" because he had a 9-1 record versus Michigan. Cooper's "failures" are magnified by his ineptitude versus Michigan, and by the fact that two of Michigan's all-time greatest players (Howard and Woodson) defected during his tenure. Both coaches were great recruiters, inside Ohio and nationally, and both lost many recruiting battles.
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He didn't ignore it completely, but just from the 1994 roster and only players I remember having significant time:
#27, Bellisari, Dudley, Brown, Garnett, Stanley Jackson, Miller, Montgomery, Moss, Tito, Sanders, Springs, Styles, Sualua, Sumner, hawaiianbuckeye
Cooper's recruiting was more like Urban. Ohio with a focus on National... except Urban wrapped up most of the truly elite talent while Cooper missed a few. Tressel was utterly dependent on Ohio talent, and developing some of those 2nd tier guys that Cooper and Urban would let go to the Indiana and Illinois of the world... or I guess now they're all going to Kentucky.
 
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