Should the Big Ten Schedule Change?

[Jaxbuck]

If they do the playoff they need to go to 16 teams like every other division...and before you say that's too many, your 8-team scenario would've left out the most underrated and most deserving non-BCS team, Boise State, which was #9 before the bowls...

Then lets do 12 like the NFL and give first round bye's but 16, 8, 12 whatever...just bring one on before I die.

Also in any playoff format you simply MUST eliminate the preseason polls. Overcoming their uninformed, biased, blind speculation is a major cause of controversy that could be eliminated under the current system and make it light years better.

Also, as far as Boise goes. Put ND in the B10 and they aren't hogging up that BCS slot that Boise needed this year. I'm fairly confident that the top 8(if judged fairly) are enough in CFB. I just don't see a bubble team winning 3 games(2 on the road no less) vs the caliber they would be facing so the controversy over #8/#9 would be there but not a major deal imo.

 

[Mike80]

Also, as far as Boise goes. Put ND in the B10 and they aren't hogging up that BCS slot that Boise needed this year. I'm fairly confident that the top 8(if judged fairly) are enough in CFB. I just don't see a bubble team winning 3 games(2 on the road no less) vs the caliber they would be facing so the controversy over #8/#9 would be there but not a major deal imo.

And the chances of that happening are between slim and none.....

16 teams get in...

There are 11 conferences in D-1A, they all get in. You can keep how they determine the champions the same.

5 "Wild Cards" using the 5 highest NON-conference champion teams as determined by the BCS formula.

 

[Jaxbuck]

And the chances of that happening are between slim and none.....

16 teams get in...

There are 11 conferences in D-1A, they all get in. You can keep how they determine the champions the same.

5 "Wild Cards" using the 5 highest NON-conference champion teams as determined by the BCS formula.

Chances improve dramatically when you eliminate pre season polls, put ND in the B10 and ensure every major confernece has a true on the field champ.

That said if 16 is what it would take to get everyone on board then fine, lets do it. I just think 8 is the more practical number but like I said..8, 12, 16, whatever just bring one on.

BTW your 16 teams with 5 wild cards guarantees ND a spot and really means only 4 WC's. Thats the kind of shit I'd prefer to avoid.

 

[Mike80]

Chances improve dramatically when you eliminate pre season polls, put ND in the B10 and ensure every major confernece has a true on the field champ.

That said if 16 is what it would take to get everyone on board then fine, lets do it. I just think 8 is the more practical number but like I said..8, 12, 16, whatever just bring one on.

BTW your 16 teams with 5 wild cards guarantees ND a spot and really means only 4 WC's. Thats the kind of shit I'd prefer to avoid.

No it doesn't guarantee a spot for ND. They weren't a conference champion. Hell they barely made it in this year as it was....

The 5 WCs would've been:

Wisconsin
Auburn
ND
West Virginia
Arkansas

If ND gets in, ND gets in. They won't win shit with that team in a tournament, but if they are good enough to be there, let them in.

ND isn't ever going to join the Big Ten. We can all just forget that fantasy right now. And beyond that, I don't think we really want ND. They *MIGHT* win 8 games next year but they wouldn't if they played a Big Ten schedule instead of scheduling the service schools.

 

[Jaxbuck]

No it doesn't guarantee a spot for ND. They weren't a conference champion. Hell they barely made it in this year as it was....

The 5 WCs would've been:

Wisconsin
Auburn
ND
West Virginia
Arkansas

If ND gets in, ND gets in. They won't win shit with that team in a tournament, but if they are good enough to be there, let them in.

ND isn't ever going to join the Big Ten. We can all just forget that fantasy right now. And beyond that, I don't think we really want ND. They *MIGHT* win 8 games next year but they wouldn't if they played a Big Ten schedule instead of scheduling the service schools.

Guess I misread how you were calculating the teams. Its all pure hypotheticals anyway. I just want to see something move us closer to a playoff. I'm over this garbage we saw this year.

In a perfect world, jamming ND into the B10 works for the better of CFB but we all know the realities are far different.

 

[Mike80]

Guess I misread how you were calculating the teams. Its all pure hypotheticals anyway. I just want to see something move us closer to a playoff. I'm over this garbage we saw this year.

In a perfect world, jamming ND into the B10 works for the better of CFB but we all know the realities are far different.

True. They have the look and feel of a Big Ten team athletically, but comments earlier on the thread make me wonder about them academically....

Beyond that, the BCS said no playoff until 2010 last night anyway.

BTW here is ND's schedule for next season. See how many W's you can get out of it.

2007

Sept. 1 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 8 at Penn State
Sept. 15 at Michigan
Sept. 22 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 29 at Purdue
Oct. 6 at UCLA
Oct. 13 BOSTON COLLEGE
Oct. 20 USC
Nov. 3 NAVY
Nov. 10 AIR FORCE
Nov. 17 DUKE
Nov. 24 at Stanford

I see 4 sure wins in that schedule (Duke, Stanford, Navy, Air Force) and 2 other likely wins (Georgia Tech and Michigan State). At Penn State and at Michigan are going to be hard and I think Purdue will beat them if ND can't score 40. UCLA will be a good team, BC will continue to be a good team, USC will run them off the field.....

That's 6-6 right there. I'm probably being pessimistic, so say they beat Purdue, that's still only 7-5....

 

[TJnTN]

I can already hear the bitching if we added Notre Dame. There is already this perception that there is a media bias favoring both the Big 10 and ND which is part of the reason so many people down here in the south hate the both. Now add Notre Dame who unless your from South Bend or something like that.........you wont find anyone who likes the Irish down here.

What about a team like Louisville?

 

[Jaxbuck]

True. They have the look and feel of a Big Ten team athletically, but comments earlier on the thread make me wonder about them academically....

Beyond that, the BCS said no playoff until 2010 last night anyway.

BTW here is ND's schedule for next season. See how many W's you can get out of it.

2007

Sept. 1 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 8 at Penn State
Sept. 15 at Michigan
Sept. 22 MICHIGAN STATE
Sept. 29 at Purdue
Oct. 6 at UCLA
Oct. 13 BOSTON COLLEGE
Oct. 20 USC
Nov. 3 NAVY
Nov. 10 AIR FORCE
Nov. 17 DUKE
Nov. 24 at Stanford

I see 4 sure wins in that schedule (Duke, Stanford, Navy, Air Force) and 2 other likely wins (Georgia Tech and Michigan State). At Penn State and at Michigan are going to be hard and I think Purdue will beat them if ND can't score 40. UCLA will be a good team, BC will continue to be a good team, USC will run them off the field.....

That's 6-6 right there. I'm probably being pessimistic, so say they beat Purdue, that's still only 7-5....

Yeah I did the ND schedule in their thread. I say 4-5 losses with that bad boy. Young team+front loaded schedule=Gator Bowl imo.

As far as them in the B10, my scenario is strictly from an athletic(specifically football) point of view because like we said..it aint ever happening.

2010 isn't that far off, lets hope they move at least closer to playoff if not all the way to one at that time.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I can already hear the bitching if we added Notre Dame. There is already this perception that there is a media bias favoring both the Big 10 and ND which is part of the reason so many people down here in the south hate the both. Now add Notre Dame who unless your from South Bend or something like that.........you wont find anyone who likes the Irish down here.

What about a team like Louisville?

Actualy it would alleviate the bitching, we would al be in the same conference, have to play a CCG and only 1 champion could emerge instead of currently the B10 often getting 2 BCS spots and ND 1. There could still be the at large factor but all in all it would be the only move you could make, that makes sense from a football POV.

 

[OhioState49]

If we ever do get a playoff, how long do you think it will be before it happens?

 

[Jaxbuck]

If we ever do get a playoff, how long do you think it will be before it happens?

2011 at a minimum per the BCS folks.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Then lets do 12 like the NFL and give first round bye's but 16, 8, 12 whatever...just bring one on before I die.

No, let's do it just like the other college football divisions...it's viable and proven.

Also in any playoff format you simply MUST eliminate the preseason polls. Overcoming their uninformed, biased, blind speculation is a major cause of controversy that could be eliminated under the current system and make it light years better.

I agree that the polls which ultimately determine BCS rankings need to wait until around mid-season before they start their rankings.

 

[OCBucksFan]

This game convinced me of 3 things:

1. We need a 12th team (a good 12th team, not a dog)
2. A B10 Championship Game
3. A 4-8 team playoff

Ok, make it four things

4. Review needs to go.....

Why not add the last Big 10 team as the 12th so that everyone has to play everyone and we don't need a championship game?

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Why not add the last Big 10 team as the 12th so that everyone has to play everyone and we don't need a championship game?

no one would want to decrease the ooc schedule to three games, which is why i didn't include it as an option.

 

[Jaxbuck]

No, let's do it just like the other college football divisions...it's viable and proven.
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Fine by me, seems to work out for them.