Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL)

[AuTX Buckeye]

Here we go again with this bullshit

A simple solution to NCAA corruption: Let stars get paid

just from the title I can tell this dude is a complete idiot, I did not read it but I'm sick of this shit. Increase the scholarship money, to cover "full cost", I'm ok with that. I'll repost my rant about this shit from the tat-gate thread later

 

[SmoovP]

This is a worthy read on the subject.

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/07/college-connection.html

 

[BB73]

College Football Live is having a series of panel discussions on this topic all week. The exchange between Bilas and Saban at the end was very interesting.

There are 12 people on the panel including the host, Rece Davis:

7 ESPN employees:
Mike Bellotti
Jay Bilas (hoops guy with a law degree)
Rod Silmore (football guy with a law degree)
Kirk Herbstreit
Mark May
Urban Meyer
Robert Smith

4 others on the panel:
Mike Tranghese (former Big East commissioner)
Joan Cronan (interim vice chancellor/AD at Tennessee)
Nick Saban
Bob Stoops

Jay Bias - "What would it hurt if we had an Olympic model, where an athlete could cut a reasonable contract, using his or her name and likeness? It wouldn't cost the University anything, and we're using the players as billboards now."

Robert Smith - "I think the best way to do it is to have school sanctioned memorabilia signings."

Urban Meyer - "Does that mean that a Bowling Green athlete is going to be treated less than a Florida athlete? That a women's rower is going to be treated different?"

Bilas - "They're treated less already. These kids have value - they have tremendous value in the marketplace and we're trying to artificially suppress that value."

Stoops - "It's gonna all be about recruiting. You come here, I'm gonna line you up with the BMW dealer, (points to Bellotti) Nike's right next door to us, you're gonna have this, that and the other ... Who can pay him the most? You talk about it getting out of control."

Mark May talked about problems with the team concept, since the QB will get extra compensation and other players won't be able to.

Joan Cronan - "As an AD, I try to picture having a football team with 125 guys, who all have their own agents. Who's in control? How are you gonna have practice when "I need to go sign this today."

Robert Smith - "Terrelle Pryor was worth more at Ohio State than a long snapper that walked on. That's just the way it works, and if he can get money for an autograph signing, he should be able to do that."

Rod Gilmore - "Think about what we're doing. We are taking the rights from an individual player, when he's 17 or 18, and taking it away from him, and now we're saying we're using that as part of the mixture to fund other athletes on other sports. We're taking that individual right - I don't know that that's the right thing to do."

Bellotti - "Are you saying that the money should go to the kid, if he does an autograph signing?"

Gilmore - "Yes"
Smith - "Absolutely, that money should go to that kid, why not?"
somebody - "That's what the pros do right now."

Herbie - "It's all about me, and it's about my dad or my uncle or my street agent. It's about me and it's all about getting yours - getting money. And by opening up and having an agent, or opening up and paying these guys ... 'Hey you gotta hurry up, your autograph show's in an hour, so get dressed and showered up.' That would destroy college athletics."

Tranghese - "We're sitting here talking about money. We don;t talk about any of the good any more. We oughta talk about this, but I think the devil's in the details, and I think it's complex, and you know ... we really have no one in charge, by the way. Anybody who thinks the NCAA is in charge, has got their head in the sand."

Stoops - "My experience at Iowa gave me this opportunity, No one talks about what the value of an education is."

Cronan - "If these guys want to go out and market themselves, they can go to the pro system. But being a college athlete is a privilege."

Bilas - "You force kids to be pros because we don't want to give them anything. We want to keep complete control, God forbid if they made a couple bucks, too. Like a music student could who's on a full music scholarship, can cut a record, can play at Carnegie Hall, can be on TV, can be in a movie, whatever they want. Regular students get paid all the time."

Saban - "There's nobody takin' profits from what we make at Alabama or any of these schools here, and puttin' in in their pocket. It's not a business, it's revenue producing, that's all reinvested back in the university and the athletic department and the program. Nobody's really making money - I mean we get paid salaries."

Bilas - "I'll say." - laughing.

Saban "Do you?"

Bilas nods.

Meyer (to Bilas) - "I really disagree, but I'll tell you what man, you're a helluva lawyer."

 

[MaxBuck]

As usual, Bilas's brain contains at least half the total IQ of the assembled crowd.

And Mark May contributes a de minimis amount.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Bilas - "You force kids to be pros because we don't want to give them anything. We want to keep complete control, God forbid if they made a couple bucks, too. Like a music student could who's on a full music scholarship, can cut a record, can play at Carnegie Hall, can be on TV, can be in a movie, whatever they want. Regular students get paid all the time."

Right...like a lot of music students can cut a record or play at Carnegie Hall. For as smart as he is, that was a pretty piss-poor analogy.

I can see an increased stipend for food during the off-season, or year 'round if a team isn.t providing a lot of team meals, along with covering all costs of tuition (books, fees, etc.) if not already covered. Other than that, keep it status quo...

 

[MaxBuck]

Right...like a lot of music students can cut a record or play at Carnegie Hall. For as smart as he is, that was a pretty [censored]-poor analogy.

I'd bet about the same fraction of music students can earn $50k or more per year from their music as the fraction of collegiate football players who could earn that much from memorabilia, autographs etc.

I've met several college music students who have recording contracts that earn in the 6 figures, so the analogy seems pretty solid to me.

 

[Oh8ch]

I don't understand how stipends even begin to address the problem.

If the problem is kids don't have gas money a stipend works.

But if the problem you are trying to address is kids cashing in on being the BMOC or getting stuff under the table during or after recruiting then the problem IS disparity of talent.

You can give each kid a hundred thousand a quarter and when you try to land Cam Newton he is going to tell you he can get that at Ball State. He wants to know what he can get extra for being Cam Newton.

And I have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why he shouldn't.

It isn't Baylor that has its own TV network. It is Texas. Because Texas gets players Baylor can't get. And they take that disparity in talent straight to the bank.

 

[JBaney45]

"Nobody's really making money - I mean we get paid salaries."

How much did Saban make last year?

 

[BB73]

How much did Saban make last year?

(2010) Total compensation: $5,997,349

Link

It was unbelievable to see Saban say that "nobody's really making money", and then when Bilas said "I'll say" Nick was noticeably ticked at him. What an ass.

 

[DaBears]

(2010) Total compensation: $5,997,349

Link

It was unbelievable to see Saban say that "nobody's really making money", and then when Bilas said "I'll say" Nick was noticeably ticked at him. What an ass.

Didn't Latrell Sprewell once say that 9 million a year wasn't enough to feed his family? Saban must be on food stamps with his measly 6 million

 

[MaxBuck]

The single biggest point of expenditure in Big College Football is coaches' salaries. Those like Saban who fail to acknowledge the fact are simply avoiding the truth. And of course, Saban is Big Daddy when it comes to salary.

 

[sepia5]

I'll tell you something else, this ESPN "Blueprint for Change" segment is freaking retarded, but Jay Bilas comes off as about 100x's smarter than any of the other panel members. I find it incredibly comical that they have Nick Saban on to provide advise on how the NCAA can clean up college football while a scandal that is substantially similar to that that occurred at Ohio State, less the Tressel coverup, is ongoing.

 

[Flocka]

I'll tell you something else, this ESPN "Blueprint for Change" segment is freaking retarded, but Jay Bilas comes off as about 100x's smarter than any of the other panel members. I find it incredibly comical that they have Nick Saban on to provide advise on how the NCAA can clean up college football while a scandal that is substantially similar to that that occurred at Ohio State, less the Tressel coverup, is ongoing.

While I didn't agree what he said about a playoff not devaluing the regular season(why he is even on that panel talking about CFB is beyond me), he is light years ahead of everyone else in regards to NCAA rules regarding paying players.

 

[sepia5]

While I didn't agree what he said about a playoff not devaluing the regular season(why he is even on that panel talking about CFB is beyond me), he is light years ahead of everyone else in regards to NCAA rules regarding paying players.

I just think he's much more articulate than anyone else up there and, rather than constantly resorting to cliches, he demonstrates the rare ability to come up with creative arguments that make sense and to cut to the core of why others' arguments are weak. He's one of the few commentators I can still stand and whose opinions I actually give credence.

 

[Flocka]

I just think he's much more articulate than anyone else up there and, rather than constantly resorting to cliches, he demonstrates the rare ability to come up with creative arguments that make sense and to cut to the core of why others' arguments are weak. He's one of the few commentators I can still stand and whose opinions I actually give credence.

Agreed. One of my favorite people on twitter.