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Should Colleges Pay Players?

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Ginnsane
It's time to end the charade of amateurism in college football and let the athletes share in the spoils of this multibillion-dollar entertainment industry. Sure, at one time college football was consistent with the mission of a university to educate and provide for the well-being of its student body. However, college football is no longer very different from the NFL. It's part of the entertainment industry. Yet one big difference between the two remains: College players don't get paid. It's time to change this.
Recent events clearly make it a farce for the NCAA officials to hide behind the shield of amateurism. Just consider the massive amount of money colleges are raking in and spending these days. While Vince Young led the Longhorns to a national championship,Texas earned a reported $42 million profit from football during the '05-'06 fiscal year. Michigan earned approximately $37 million, while Florida earned $32 million during that same period. Where does all the money come from? You already know. Just like in the NFL, it comes from television, marketing and media rights, tickets and luxury box/suite income. Further proof of the entertainment might of college football is the fact that we saw the BCS games spread out over a full week, which included four games shown in prime time, including three on non-holiday weekdays.
Is it any wonder that the college presidents voted in favor of adding a 12th game last season? That 12th game helped add to the bottom line. Now, some of the colleges are playing almost as many games as the NFL teams. Twelve schools played 14 games! You might expect that of Florida and Arkansas, but Ohio? Central Michigan? Southern Miss? C'mon.
Since the NCAA won't let schools pay players, a huge amount of this money goes to coaches and facilities. NFL teams have elaborate stadiums with skyboxes and expensive training facilities. Well, so do the colleges. They've jumped into the arms race by dropping big cash on these facilities. For example, Oklahoma State is receiving $165 million from business tycoon T. Boone Pickens to upgrade its facilities. Michigan spent a reported $226 million upgrading its stadium and adding suites and luxury boxes. Texas dropped $150 million on its digs. Those are just a few examples.

he coaches are getting more than their fair share, too. According to published reports, at least 42 of the 119 coaches in Division I-A earn more than $1 million per year. At least nine receive more than $2 million annually. (Not all schools are required to disclose this salary information.) In the BCS conferences (ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC), the average coaching salary is $1.4 million. Oh, but that's just for starters. Recently, the University of Alabama bestowed a lavish, reportedly eight-year, $32 million guaranteed contract on coach Nick Saban to lure him from the NFL's Miami Dolphins. But let's not single out Bama. Iowa's Kirk Ferentz reportedly will earn more than $4.6 million in a 13-month period ending in June. Oklahoma's Bob Stoops reportedly receives a guaranteed minimum of $3 million annually.
Juxtapose Saban's $4 million annual salary with the approximate $15,000 annual full-ride football scholarship a native Alabama player receives at the University of Alabama (only guaranteed for a single year). The national average for the cost of tuition, room and board at a public university is approximately $13,000 and approximately $30,000 at a private university, according to the USA Today.
It's time to let the players have a piece of the pie. You can't possibly convince me that Charlie Weis is worth more to Notre Dame than Brady Quinn. Kids aren't buying Weis jerseys. They're buying Quinn jerseys. Indeed, a few Florida and Ohio State players complained before the Tostitos BCS National Championship Game that they were being exploited -- and they are. I was pretty happy to receive my bowl watch and adidas warm-ups back in the day when my team went to a bowl, but the head coach wasn't cashing in million-dollar checks back in the '80s.
Players have an absolute right to be envious and feel exploited. The age-old rationale that the student-athlete's "free education" is equivalent in value to his athletic labor doesn't wash anymore. It's not equivalent. The national average graduation rate is 55 percent for Division I-A football players, according to the federal government's calculation. However, many of the biggest programs struggle to meet the average. Here are a few examples: Texas, 29 percent; LSU, 37 percent; Florida, 42 percent; Alabama, 47 percent; Ohio State, 49 percent; and USC, 52 percent. Clearly, a significant number of football players aren't receiving the benefit of the bargain of this "free education." The mandatory and "voluntary" workouts are often at odds with obtaining that "free education."
There have been previous calls to pay players, but they have been resisted by NCAA administrators and many coaches. Here's an alternative: Put some of those millions generated by this business into a trust to be used by players after their collegiate careers are completed. The funds could be used by players for a variety of purposes, such as completing a graduate degree, starting a business, making a down payment on a house, etc. I'd make the players who have an NFL career and earn over a certain threshold amount ineligible (based on the reasoning that the school has assisted them in cashing in on a career). But those guys are the exception, not the rule. The guy who will never cash in on the NFL career deserves to be compensated as much as any coach or administrator. Would it be so awful if Alabama paid Saban $3 million a year instead of $4 million and the difference went into a fund for Bama players?
It's time to change this antiquated system. It's time to stop using players as cheap labor. It's time to do right by the players.




Source: ESPN
 
Yes. And no.
If you're going to pay players, the NCAA will say that amount would have to be standardized everywhere -- otherwise it influences recruiting.
And once you start setting money aside for football players, you're going to have to set some aside for Basketball too I presume? And do walk-ons get the same benefits? Where exactly does it stop.
Not trying to pull the slippery slope argument because I think it's time for the situation to change, but it's not as easy as just cutting Saban and Weiss' salary by a million and splitting it 85 ways.
 
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I know that they do get certain living expense money which doesn't really amount to much (I expect HAYN to help out with this one). The Free-Education argument holds water, but it doesn't buy you a pizza after the game, allow you to take your girlfriend out to dinner, or allow you to buy a new pair of jeans. I'm all for paying them spending money, maybe in the area of $500-$600 a month, and the same amount for ALL players.
 
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WoodyWorshiper;720865; said:
I know that they do get certain living expense money which doesn't really amount to much (I expect HAYN to help out with this one). The Free-Education argument holds water, but it doesn't buy you a pizza after the game, allow you to take your girlfriend out to dinner, or allow you to buy a new pair of jeans. I'm all for paying them spending money, maybe in the area of $500-$600 a month, and the same amount for ALL players.

they get a 1000 a month and free education. To me thats paid slavery
 
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My understanding is that all scholarship players get a monthy stipend, with the amount based on whether or not they live on campus. This is in additon to:

Free tuition
Free books
Free board
Training meals
Free travel
 
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WoodyWorshiper;720865; said:
I know that they do get certain living expense money which doesn't really amount to much (I expect HAYN to help out with this one). The Free-Education argument holds water, but it doesn't buy you a pizza after the game, allow you to take your girlfriend out to dinner, or allow you to buy a new pair of jeans. I'm all for paying them spending money, maybe in the area of $500-$600 a month, and the same amount for ALL players.

I think the "spending money" is pretty much the same as student loans. At my University, tuition is about $7k, but they estimate you need about $15k to pay for rent and food (free for them, $5000), books (I know they get books for free too, $1000), "miscelaneous" ($2000). It's enough to buy pizza and some clothes, but nothing really great.
I agree that they should get some perks. I don't know if other Universities do this (mine doesn't), but I've often thought they should build state-of-the-art apartments for these kids so they don't feel the need to rent out in town and cheap housing as part of the "facilities". If this isn't being done, I'm going to presume the NCAA has some kind of rule about it.
Anyway, I like the idea of a monthly "paycheck" -- but I think it should be a little more than 600. Maybe 500 upfront, and 500 in a "trust fund" for every month. If a player runs into serious disciplinarian problems (declared ineligible for grades/regulations, legal problems) and never re-establish their eligibility, the fund is cancelled and they never see that money. Another idea is that there could be a sizable bonus for finishing your degree.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;720871; said:
My understanding is that all scholarship players get a monthy stipend, with the amount based on whether or not they live on campus. This is in additon to:

Free tuition
Free books
Free board
Training meals
Free travel

Ummm where they live is board. so don't think they get paid twice for that. And the free travel is for trips to games, not like they get to travel where everthey want.

I know the arguement that yes they already get all of this free stuff, but look at how many millions of dollars a university or organizations make off of these kids. I like the idea of setting up a trust fund of some sort that they get when they get out of school. Think about this for a second, yes you have all of these kids who go on to college. But what happens to the kids who suffers permanent damage to something like a knee and then finds himself out trying to not only trying to start out in an entry level job but also dealing with bills from any extra surgery or injuries that have lingered. Not to mention if he does have insurance through his job there is a good chance it would be considered a pre-existing condition and thus not covered by insurance.
 
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buckeyefool;720884; said:
Ummm where they live is board. so don't think they get paid twice for that. And the free travel is for trips to games, not like they get to travel where everthey want.

I know the arguement that yes they already get all of this free stuff, but look at how many millions of dollars a university or organizations make off of these kids. I like the idea of setting up a trust fund of some sort that they get when they get out of school. Think about this for a second, yes you have all of these kids who go on to college. But what happens to the kids who suffers permanent damage to something like a knee and then finds himself out trying to not only trying to start out in an entry level job but also dealing with bills from any extra surgery or injuries that have lingered. Not to mention if he does have insurance through his job there is a good chance it would be considered a pre-existing condition and thus not covered by insurance.

Not to take away from your point, but I'm pretty sure the NCAA takes full insurance responsibility for injuries incurred. I don't know the details, but I suspect it is similar to how injuries from the military work -- if you're injured in the military, they're responsible for that injury and any related complications for the rest of your life (theoretically, at least. In reality they claim stupidity and ignorance for every injury and weasel out of it -- but that's your typical insurance bs.)
 
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23Skidoo;720889; said:
Not to take away from your point, but I'm pretty sure the NCAA takes full insurance responsibility for injuries incurred. I don't know the details, but I suspect it is similar to how injuries from the military work -- if you're injured in the military, they're responsible for that injury and any related complications for the rest of your life (theoretically, at least. In reality they claim stupidity and ignorance for every injury and weasel out of it -- but that's your typical insurance bs.)

I'm talking more about injuries that might not have been major but things that linger forever because of the grind of playing football.
 
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I think alot of people are looking at this issue the wrong way. It's not "how much they get", I believe it's "how much they are worth".


Nick Saban can make 4 mil a year, while the NCAA says Beanie's mom's friends can't throw a party to help raise money for her to see her son play. Fuck the NCAA.
 
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buckeyefool;720884; said:
Ummm where they live is board. so don't think they get paid twice for that. And the free travel is for trips to games, not like they get to travel where everthey want.
Board is food. (Hence the term "room and board" - shelter and meals.) Athletes basically eat for free as long as they eat at the dining hall, and a lot of times they have to eat team meals anyway.

Mili hasn't even covered the whole thing yet, though. Athletes (well, the football players at least) are also covered with free health care. Of course they are - the school needs them in top shape. One of my roommates was a football player at UVA. Tore up his knee skiing, a completely football-unrelated injury, and was well taken care of by team doctors and the university hospital, all free of charge. Had access to all the medicines and whatnot he needed: painkillers, laxatives, you name it, if he wanted it and the team doctors had it, they gave it to him. And it's astonishing the number of different groceries he could get out of the team supplies. If it's healthful, like milk or eggs or bread, the football team stocked it and he could get it no problems. And don't forget the schwag bag from the bowls. My roommate had a drawer full of electronics. A player on a bowl-bound team doesn't need to go out and buy digital cameras or iPods.

Football players are generally well taken care of. Start allowing them to get paid, beyond the very strict NCAA guidelines regarding taking care of their well-being, and you turn recruiting into a free agent system. Deepest pockets win. Rich schools get richer. I don't buy the argument that football players should get a slice of the huge amount of money that is generated by athletics, because they already do. Free college education, if they choose to take advantage of it. The rest of us schlubs have to deal with student loans or ROTC requirements or pay $20,000 a year out of our own pocket or scrape financial aid and aid scholarships here and there. Football players get two things that are extremely valuable: a shot at the tremendous money the NFL has to offer, and a diploma at no cost. Plus all the above bennies. A monthly stipend and the benefits are perfectly reasonable - going beyond that is going into dangerous territory.
 
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akronbuck;720867; said:
they get a 1000 a month and free education. To me thats paid slavery

Collegiate football players are playing football for their SCHOOL, not their NFL franchise. Paying them would be a horrible idea, because it only leads to other things and allows the ugly parts of the pro game into the greatest, and purest sport there is: college football.

I'm not saying they should be left out to fend for themselves, but a free education, health insurance, food, and access to team equipment/supplies are a pretty good return for playing football, not to mention the fame and honor of being part of the team.

The only thing that I would say could be changed is how the player's families are taken care of. Things such as travel expenses (for games), tickets, and Financial Aid should be available to the families who need it, which would take a lot of responsibility off of the players who have to worry about their family's financial situation. It would have to be regulated, of course, to make sure people wouldn't abuse it and just try to get money to go shopping every weekend.
 
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HailToMichigan;720900; said:
Board is food. (Hence the term "room and board" - shelter and meals.) Athletes basically eat for free as long as they eat at the dining hall, and a lot of times they have to eat team meals anyway.
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A monthly stipend and the benefits are perfectly reasonable - going beyond that is going into dangerous territory.

Great post, HTM. Hmmm, I wonder if this is the first GPA a Michigan fan has got here...
 
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You do not need to "compensate" the players. You are compensating them by letting them go to school. That is still the main purpose of college. It does not seem like that, but that is how it should be. If they have to "struggle" while in college so be it. There are more than enough college students who struggle throughout college but they do no play sports, they are there for an education. That is just how it is. Colleges are not franchises like NFL teams. The coaches, which are not like General Managers of professional teams, probably see the most money out of it. (referring to actually getting money in their pockey) Not an "owner" of the school. Most of that money goes back to the school and helps fund other atheltics. It's great that college sports, especially football and basketball, have become so entertaining, but they are still college athletics. Not everyone on the team wants to go on to be a professional athlete, most are there for an education. As far as the NCAA goes, they do need to make some changes. They have way too many rules that make no sense, but I could rant about that for hours so I will stop now. In advance I'm sure many of you disagree with this. :)
 
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