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Rose Bowl: USC 49, Illinois 17 (final)

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Illinois put up 445 yards on USC's defense. It just so happened that Illinois also turned the ball over 4 times.

Illinois was just way too young. TSUN, a veteran team, was easily capable of recovering from two Mike Hart fumbles and two Chad Henne interceptions. Illinois was not capable of recovering from four turnovers.

Terrible playcalling early on hurt the Illini. Option pitch (Not a keeper), handoff, screen pass anyone? Rick Neuheisel was in the stands, and he called them out on it. That was incredibly amusing, by the way.

Rashard Mendenhall is a special talent, but he is a terrible blocking back. Seeing him get blown up by a future NFL linebacker made that really evident. He would really benefit from staying another year, just as Travis Beckum will at Wisconsin.
 
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Lockup;1046907; said:
I didn't say ILL didn't get run over. But it was ILL a team who has not won more than three games a year in the past 5 or 6 years.

Now last year scUM got 29 hung on them in the 2nd quarter and have a long history of winning not to mention they were the #3 ranked team in the country. I am thinking that looks worse.
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Giving up 600+ yards, 49 points in a game, and losing by 32 looks like Illinois did, looks much worse in my book than being tied at halftime and losing by 14, like scUM did last year.

You think that b/c Illinois has been bad in recent years whereas scUM has been decent that somehow lessens the beat down that Illinois got and makes the Big Ten look better in the eyes of the national media. It doesn't. Both scUM in '06 and Illinois in '07 finished in second place in the Big Ten. scUM looked bad in the second half against USC in the '07 Rose Bowl but at least hung around and was tied with USC at halftime, whereas Illinois looked like it had no business even being on the field in the '08 Rose Bowl. The latter made the Big Ten look worse. Your point about the last few years is irrelevant.
 
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buckeyesin07;1046968; said:
Giving up 600+ yards, 49 points in a game, and losing by 32 looks like Illinois did, looks much worse in my book than being tied at halftime and losing by 14, like scUM did last year.

You think that b/c Illinois has been bad in recent years whereas scUM has been decent that somehow lessens the beat down that Illinois got and makes the Big Ten look better in the eyes of the national media. It doesn't. Both scUM in '06 and Illinois in '07 finished in second place in the Big Ten. scUM looked bad in the second half against USC in the '07 Rose Bowl but at least hung around and was tied with USC at halftime, whereas Illinois looked like it had no business even being on the field in the '08 Rose Bowl. The latter made the Big Ten look worse. Your point about the last few years is irrelevant.
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Well first I don't expect anything the Big Ten does at this point to change the National Media's minds. Besides maybe OSU blowing out LSU and even thne I don't think it will change much. They were still talking about SEC speed after scUM beat Florida even before the ILL game.

The last few years are very relevant. I am not sure what you mean by ILL has been bad recently. Since 1995 they have only posted 2 winning seasons since the 80's have been bad more often then they have been good by far.

scUM has been decent in the last few years? Under Carr scUM has won about 22% of the total games ILL has won in its entire history.

Yeah scUM lost by 14. Game wasn't even that close. scUM was 21 with 2 minutes left so the last TD they got was nothing.

when scUM gets beat like that people take notice just like they did we got it handed to us in the NCG. When ILL gets beat like in the one in every 10 years they put a good team on the field, people just expect it.

Maybe that is why ILL was a 13.5 pt dog to begin with.
 
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Lockup;1046983; said:
Well first I don't expect anything the Big Ten does at this point to change the National Media's minds. Besides maybe OSU blowing out LSU and even thne I don't think it will change much. They were still talking about SEC speed after scUM beat Florida even before the ILL game.

The last few years are very relevant. I am not sure what you mean by ILL has been bad recently. Since 1995 they have only posted 2 winning seasons since the 80's have been bad more often then they have been good by far.

scUM has been decent in the last few years? Under Carr scUM has won about 22% of the total games ILL has won in its entire history.

Yeah scUM lost by 14. Game wasn't even that close. scUM was 21 with 2 minutes left so the last TD they got was nothing.

when scUM gets beat like that people take notice just like they did we got it handed to us in the NCG. When ILL gets beat like in the one in every 10 years they put a good team on the field, people just expect it.

Maybe that is why ILL was a 13.5 pt dog to begin with.
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Dude, are you an Illinois fan? They looked like shit and played like shit. It doesn't matter to ANYONE that they were crappy last year. They were the Big 10 team that got blasted by USC in the Rose Bowl...same as scUM and Iowa in whatever bowl that was in. People expected it, not because it was Illinois, but because it was a crappy Big 10 team playing the almighty USC Trojans. Your argument is idiotic at best.
 
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Pheasant;1046991; said:
Dude, are you an Illinois fan? They looked like shit and played like shit. It doesn't matter to ANYONE that they were crappy last year. They were the Big 10 team that got blasted by USC in the Rose Bowl...same as scUM and Iowa in whatever bowl that was in. People expected it, not because it was Illinois, but because it was a crappy Big 10 team playing the almighty USC Trojans. Your argument is idiotic at best.
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Do you even know what we are talking about?
 
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Pheasant;1047005; said:
Not any more than you do...but yes, I read the entire ridiculousness of the exchange...and wish I had poked my eyes out instead. Have some.
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Well you could have fooled me. I guess I might not be confused if your reply had any substance to it and seem to fit the context of the discussion.
Just so we are clear.

He says ILL losing like they did does more damage to the Big Ten than scUM losing to USC the way they did last year.

I disagree and think scUM losing the way they did does more damage than ILL's loss has or will for the reason I stated. I am guesssing you don't agree with that.
 
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Lockup;1047032; said:
Well you could have fooled me. I guess I might not be confused if your reply had any substance to it and seem to fit the context of the discussion.
Just so we are clear.

He says ILL losing like they did does more damage to the Big Ten than scUM losing to USC the way they did last year.

I disagree and think scUM losing the way they did does more damage than ILL's loss has or will for the reason I stated. I am guesssing you don't agree with that.
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No...I don't agree. To people who know college football the Illinois loss is perhaps a little less damaging. To the media and the majority of college football fans they are the same thing. A Big 10 team getting smoked by a faster USC team. To some of the media, it is USC smoking the only team to beat Ohio State this year, and further proof that tOSU is a fraud. To me it means Illinois lost the game and I don't care. They lost to a team that lost to Stanford. If we win the national championship Stanford can try to claim it.

My reply didn't fit the context of the discussion because the discussion was fucking retarded and I don't happen to be. You were arguing against someone's feelings about the manner in which Illinois represented the conference during the course of the game. You were arguing that the scUM loss last year was more damaging. Muffler was simply stating that Illinois didn't represent itself or the conference well on the field. That is where the "no more than you do" part came in. If there was another argument you were having with someone besides Muffler my apologies, but since you kept quoting him that is what I was focusing on. My first post was only in response to the one I quoted.
 
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Pheasant;1047361; said:
No...I don't agree. To people who know college football the Illinois loss is perhaps a little less damaging. To the media and the majority of college football fans they are the same thing. A Big 10 team getting smoked by a faster USC team. To some of the media, it is USC smoking the only team to beat Ohio State this year, and further proof that tOSU is a fraud. To me it means Illinois lost the game and I don't care. They lost to a team that lost to Stanford. If we win the national championship Stanford can try to claim it.
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I see your point and his point too but like I said the national media will have whatever excuse they want to lay it on the Big Ten. Even if ILL played a better game some of what you said would still come true. It certainly doesn't help the Big Ten or us that ILL lost the way they did. Personally I think that OSU and scUM are the biggest reasons for what people think of the Big Ten. Follow that by Wisky and PSU and follow that by just about everybody else. Actually some of the dmamage ILL may have done was helped by scUm's win too, something we really didn't have last year.

Look at this year. all year we heard how weak the Big Ten is. I never thought they were that weak to begin with. I garentee though much of that attitude came from OSU and scUM last year and scUM's start this year. I just don't think what ILL does has the same effect as what OSU and scUM. They do have some effect and you are probably right on what you said but we both know most of that is just plain stupid crap the media pulls.

My reply didn't fit the context of the discussion because the discussion was fucking retarded and I don't happen to be. You were arguing against someone's feelings about the manner in which Illinois represented the conference during the course of the game. You were arguing that the scUM loss last year was more damaging. Muffler was simply stating that Illinois didn't represent itself or the conference well on the field. That is where the "no more than you do" part came in. If there was another argument you were having with someone besides Muffler my apologies, but since you kept quoting him that is what I was focusing on. My first post was only in response to the one I quoted.
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Well now I know why your first post had me confused. Yeah Muffler and I were not having the same arguement (I think). In his case I had made the comment (that I actually didn't mean to be just about him) that I did not understand why I heard so many Bucks fans getting down on ILL so much and thought we should have cut them some slack givin they are not used to being where they were.

bucksin07 was the discussion you walked in on which was about how much the ILL loss hurt the Big Ten compared to the scUM loss last year.
 
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