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Robert Smith on Mike & Mike

To be honest, I think Herbie will keep away from this subject as much as possible on ESPN, but when he is on the fan, he has made his opinion clear....the bottom line is that he has commented on it and until there is something new to the allegations, there really isnt anything else to say about it.
 
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Herbie is on ESPN so who know if they will allow him to address the subject freely. I could see those assclowns giving him guidlines so they keep their story on the front pages.
When the red light goes on, well anything can be said guidelines be damned. I would find it very difficult, if not impossible, to hear these false accusations and smear campaign against JT, and, being an alumnus, not come to his defense. In that situation, I may be jeopardizing my career at the network, but not succumbing to the pathetic journalism, and standing up for what is fair and right, is a principle that I hold dearly.
 
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I hope that when this subject comes up on Gameday this Saturday that Herbie not only says this, but really drives home what this whole charade is all about. This is tough for him since he works for the company, but how much shit can you hear about your alma mater, before fighting back.

Its sort of weird, the sense I've been getting from Cowherd, Patrick, Gameday, and at least Alberts is a certain amount of resentment toward Friend and the Magazine. I'm sure its somewhat due to the fact that these guys now have to deal with the fallout of this jackass running his mouth (Friend) while Friend can jsut move on to his next expose'. Both the interviews that I've hears with Friend and his Editor (Hoying?) were interesting in the level of defensiveness... I imagine that the Gameday people, meaning the producers and the whole crew, are kind of pissed off they can't come to The Game (if they wanted to) because some other jackass had to regurgitate year old BS.
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
Its sort of weird, the sense I've been getting from Cowherd, Patrick, Gameday, and at least Alberts is a certain amount of resentment toward Friend and the Magazine. I'm sure its somewhat due to the fact that these guys now have to deal with the fallout of this jackass running his mouth (Friend) while Friend can jsut move on to his next expose'. Both the interviews that I've hears with Friend and his Editor (Hoying?) were interesting in the level of defensiveness... I imagine that the Gameday people, meaning the producers and the whole crew, are kind of pissed off they can't come to The Game (if they wanted to) because some other jackass had to regurgitate year old BS.
i think youre giving ESPN too much credit.
 
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Well-

I'm just pointing out the idea that let's say a booster gave Maurice Money... which happened... he got suspended for it and then lying about it.... now... the NATIONAL perception is that constitutes Ohio State cheating... but we know that Tressel had nothing to do with it, but he was still hurt by the 'incident'

By the same token... some assholes at ESPN the Magazine need to push their product, so they run this story... meanwhile, Herbstreit, Alberts and Colin Cowherd have nothing to do with the story... but they can still be hurt by it.

I think that we should attack ESPN at every opportunity... but don't think the rest of the team weren't thinking "What the fuck were you doing?" when they heard about MoC's great Monte Carlo incident... much like I'm sure the Gaemday people were thinking that when they heard what the Magazine was doing.
 
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BN27 - I agree with you that AKABuck's giving too much back-handed credit to ESPN. However, like AKABuck I believe that people at GameDay, OK - specifically Herb - maybe Corso, are likely pissed off that GameDay is now disinvited from The Game. http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6970


And we can't run any of the signs of ESPN-shame.
http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6955
Guess I'll have to just share them around the neighborhood - I know there will be lots of takers.
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Whew... the conspiracy theories are running deep, huh? Smear campaign? Listening to ESPN as much as I do--I've noticed a decided lean in most of the story's actually going OSU's way. That is, at least when the anchors talk/interview people or give their own opinions. Guys like Mel Kuiper, John Clayton, Sean Salsbury, and Dan Patrick have all given MoC the verbal reaming.

I mean really, it's all about timing. I remember just before this all got set off, thinking to myself "you know, it's really good that I haven't heard anything about MoC in a long time, maybe we can finally start to forget about him." Sure enough, MoC doesn't want any of us to forget him, so here he came.

ESPN is just a news station. They'll print the story. If Friend says he's got an interview with a former OSU football player from their 2002 championship team who claims he received illegal benefits, of course they'll run it. It'll get them more press. The onus of blame should probably be put mostly on Tom Friend and Maurice Clarett in this situation--you're all just killing the messenger.
 
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The onus of blame should probably be put mostly on Tom Friend and Maurice Clarett in this situation--you're all just killing the messenger.
Tom Friend is one of many messengers that work at ESPN. Without the approval of higher ups at ESPN to run with the story, we wouldn't know that the main messenger has a name - Tom Friend. In this case E$PN did not take care to check the validity of a "story" that really isn't one, or has already been told, and instead saw the "sensationalized" headlines and the rewards that come with that. So in a sense, we are killing the messenger since the messenger and the antagonist are one and the same.
 
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Tom Friend is one of many messengers that work at ESPN. Without the approval of higher ups at ESPN to run with the story, we wouldn't know that the main messenger has a name - Tom Friend. In this case E$PN did not take care to check the validity of a "story" that really isn't one, or has already been told, and instead saw the "sensationalized" headlines and the rewards that come with that. So in a sense, we are killing the messenger since the messenger and the antagonist are one and the same.
Not true. Must ESPN conduct their own full investigation to even have an interview anymore? I mean... seriously. I understand journailistc integrity and all--but it's not ESPN's job to full scale investigations. ESPN doesn't check into validity for running stories on Barry Bonds, why aren't all of you lining up behind him?

(not directed at you here)And--if you're going to ding me, please, let me at least know why. Or sign a name?
 
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sandgk said:
:scum4: AND

How about
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Maybe we can at least temporarly add this to the smileys?
 
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Not true. Must ESPN conduct their own full investigation to even have an interview anymore? I mean... seriously. I understand journailistc integrity and all--but it's not ESPN's job to full scale investigations. ESPN doesn't check into validity for running stories on Barry Bonds, why aren't all of you lining up behind him?
Your right in a the sense they dont need to run a full scale investigation, but they have a journalistic responsibility to ensure that the facts being written in their publication are the reasonable truth and that they colaborate the facts with other credible sources......in this story this was not done. ESPN decided to write an article based on allegations brought forth by a kid who has already lied to the NCAA on 17 occasions. We all know his history.

What is alarming is the other sources they spoke to....one was a felon and the other three had axes to grind with OSU. Any piece written has two sides to the story, such as a credible person (ie Craig Krenzel, Will Smith etc), no one with a positive attitude about OSU was quoted in the article, thus the article was bias and protrayed a negative approached to the university. Obviously they chose to only write about one side of the issue and what is worse is that a few of their so called sources stated they were misled and misquoted.
 
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Your right in a the sense they dont need to run a full scale investigation, but they have a journalistic responsibility to ensure that the facts being written in their publication are the reasonable truth and that they colaborate the facts with other credible sources......in this story this was not done. ESPN decided to write an article based on allegations brought forth by a kid who has already lied to the NCAA on 17 occasions. We all know his history.

What is alarming is the other sources they spoke to....one was a felon and the other three had axes to grind with OSU. Any piece written has two sides to the story, such as a credible person (ie Craig Krenzel, Will Smith etc), no one with a positive attitude about OSU was quoted in the article, thus the article was bias and protrayed a negative approached to the university. Obviously they chose to only write about one side of the issue and what is worse is that a few of their so called sources stated they were misled and misquoted.
My question is: do you just listen to the negative things that ESPN does? I heard Mike and Mike go on for about an hour about how stupid, ignorant, childish, self-centered, so on and so forth ALL of the things we've already said about MoC here. I mean--it's not like they've taken every chance they can to tear down OSU. I don't agree with the article or the fact that it saw print, but I do not think it's ESPN as a whole's fault. In regards to misleading and misquoting (the things I do have a problem with) it's DEFINITELY the fault of Tom Friend and he should be fired. Other than that, this sort of stuff happens. Since this article--I think ESPN's done it's fair share (at least other reporters who see the situation for how it is) to portray both sides of the story. And like I was saying, though ESPN dose have some fault here, the heat for the poor reporting should be put on Friend.

This whole issue could be viewed as people of Buckeye Planet are 'attacking' ESPN in the same way they preceive ESPN to be attacking the Bucks. Now--would the people here issue wholescale apologies to ESPN if this turns out to be true?

Don't get me wrong, we're just Buckeye fans shootin' the shit for the most part. We're not held to the same standard as ESPN, it's just something that should be observed.
 
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Not true. Must ESPN conduct their own full investigation to even have an interview anymore? I mean... seriously. I understand journailistc integrity and all--but it's not ESPN's job to full scale investigations. ESPN doesn't check into validity for running stories on Barry Bonds, why aren't all of you lining up behind him?
I agree with you that ESPN doesn't have to do full investigation to conduct an interview. But ESPN is presenting the results of their interviews as if it were an investigation. They have misled people on why they were interviewing them. ESPN is the furthest thing from investigative journalism, as evidenced by this situation; they seem to be more about sensationalistic journalism. I still do not think Friend gets the go ahead with this article without approval from a higher up. So the shoddy journalism (Friend's work) has basically been approved by others at ESPN, and more than likely the reason for this is money.

(not directed at you here)And--if you're going to ding me, please, let me at least know why.
I know you didn't direct this at me, but it wasn't me that dinged you.
 
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