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Rich Rodriguez (official thread of last laughs)

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I don't think it's impossible that RR could have an effect on Tressel leaving. I think it's enormously unlikely, however, given Tressel's track record. The guy is 6-1 against scUM, won more than 10 games in 5 of the last 7 years, won an MNC game, coached for 2 more MNC's, and coached in BCS games 5 of the last 6 years. His winning percentage is right up there with Pete Carrol over that span.

Now, I do think it's possible that RR could get him run out of town. The only way I see that happening, though, is if RR somehow frames Tressel for a string of murders, each more diabolical and cruel than the last. I mean, let's face it: RR would have to beat Tressel's boys 5 straight games by 30 points per game to even dent Tressel's image, and that sure as hell isn't going to happen. So I'm going to stick to my crime theory.
 
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based on coaching abilities, staff, continuity and talent depth that is currently in place. I think it will be unlikely that RR will get the upper hand on Tress anytime soon, by soon i mean next 2-4 years at a minimum.

But the reality is that this series does go in cycles, and there will be a time when scUM does have the upper hand in this series once again. It is even possible that sometime within Tress' tenure it happens, you never know. I hope not, and based on the current situation it seems like that is far off, but unfortunately at some point in time the worm will turn.
 
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ShakerBuck;1158619; said:
based on coaching abilities, staff, continuity and talent depth that is currently in place. I think it will be unlikely that RR will get the upper hand on Tress anytime soon, by soon i mean next 2-4 years at a minimum.

But the reality is that this series does go in cycles, and there will be a time when scUM does have the upper hand in this series once again. It is even possible that sometime within Tress' tenure it happens, you never know. I hope not, and based on the current situation it seems like that is far off, but unfortunately at some point in time the worm will turn.
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I agree.

That is as much thought as I will put into it before it happens. Until then, I intend to enjoy the present immensely.
 
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Jaxbuck;1158792; said:
you also think scUM is going to go 13-0 this year
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ShakerBuck;1158619; said:
But the reality is that this series does go in cycles, and there will be a time when scUM does have the upper hand in this series once again.
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Not under JT's watch, they won't. Most of the "cycles" in The Game during the last almost 60 years dealt with coaching changes, not natural "cycles".

1. Woody took over in 1951, and after going 1-2 in his first the years against Michigan he then went 11-4 against them over the next 15 years, with two Michigan coaches meeting their demise during that stretch.

2. Glenn "Bo" Schembechler took over at Michigan in 1969 and restored parity to The Game by going 5-4-1 (and winning the last three) against Woody until Woody was fired at the end of 1978. Although he was only 2-4-1 against Ohio State in his first seven years. Schembechler's three-game win streak '76-'78 halted a 15-6-1 22-year run by Woody.

3. Earle Bruce took over for Woody in 1979 and put an end to the three-game skid to Michigan, and eventually went 5-4 against the legendary Schembechler before being fired before The Game in 1987. He halted the swing in momentum that was headed back in Michigan's favor.

4. John Cooper replaced Bruce in 1988, and we all know has disasterous that was for us in The Game, with Cooper never really grasping the concept of The Rivalry and going a pitiful 2-10-1 in 13 years, against three different Michigan coaches.

5. Jim Tressel is hired in 2001, and promptly turns The Rivalry completely around, going 6-1 in his first seven seasons, including three wins at Michigan (Cooper never won at Michigan, going 0-6 there).

To me, this clearly shows that with the possible exception of the mid-'70s, there were no real changes in "cycles" of winning under any one coach's watch, but rather the "cycles" themselves coinciding with coaching changes.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1159084; said:
Not under JT's watch, they won't. Most of the "cycles" in The Game during the last almost 60 years dealt with coaching changes, not natural "cycles".
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thats not a good argument for 2 reasons

1. Lllloyd had a major turn around mid tenure when Tress took control

not to mention that

2. there is a coaching change here (LLLLoyd out, RR in)

I think we continue to be well positioned for continued dominance for the foreseeable future, but you can never be overly confident. I'm sure scUM thought that this coach from Youngstown wasn't gonna reverse the ownership that Lllloyd had over us in the Cooper era.
 
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ShakerBuck;1159106; said:
thats not a good argument for 2 reasons

1. Lllloyd had a major turn around mid tenure when Tress took control

not to mention that

2. there is a coaching change here (LLLLoyd out, RR in)
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I guess you missed the part of my post where I mentioned the two Michigan coaching changes under Woody's tenure, and that Copper sucked despite three different coaches being at Michigan. Coaching changes at Michigan didn't change much for Ohio State.

The "cycle" under Hayes was pretty consistent up until his last three years...the only possible change in "cycle" under an OSU coach since 1951.

Bruce never won, nor lost, more than two games in a row against Michigan. His "cycle" of parity never changed.

Cooper never had any four-year stretch without at least three losses to Michigan (aside from the 13-13 tie in 1992). His "cycle" of ineptitude never changed.

Tressel has had no change in his cycle of domination.

Bottom line is that, as I said earlier, with the possible exception of the mid-'70s, there were no real changes in "cycles" of winning under any one coach's watch...at least under any Ohio State coach's watch.
 
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It is tied to the delta between the two coaches.

Woody > anything UM could throw at them until Bo
Bo = an aging Woody
Earle = aging Bo
Cooper < anybody in Maize and Blue
JT > Lloyd

Those lobbying for a turnaround are assuming "RR > JT"

No way.

No friggin way.
 
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