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Reds Tidbits (2011 Season)

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scott91575;1906135; said:
He was that way all last year for the most part. He misses low, but misses a lot. That is why he gets so many on base.
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I'd really like to see how the latin pitchers do with Hanigan catching them instead of Ramon.

I'm starting to think that since Ramon (1) can't hit a breaking ball and (2) can't reach a pitch on the outer third of the plate, he assumes nobody else can either, which is why he has the pitchers throwing breaking balls off the outside corner and walking the bases loaded.
 
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Jaxbuck;1906053; said:
Heady Lamar walks.
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That's Hedley!

Bucknut24;1906057; said:
that's cute, Votto has got his arm around Bruce
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Mrs Katt: "Is it getting gay over here? ..........Because it's looking pretty gay over there."

:rofl:
 
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Dryden;1906181; said:
I'd really like to see how the latin pitchers do with Hanigan catching them instead of Ramon.

I'm starting to think that since Ramon (1) can't hit a breaking ball and (2) can't reach a pitch on the outer third of the plate, he assumes nobody else can either, which is why he has the pitchers throwing breaking balls off the outside corner and walking the bases loaded.
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You have an excellent point.

Everyone knows the Irish make better catchers than Hispanics.
 
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Dryden;1906181; said:
I'd really like to see how the latin pitchers do with Hanigan catching them instead of Ramon.

I'm starting to think that since Ramon (1) can't hit a breaking ball and (2) can't reach a pitch on the outer third of the plate, he assumes nobody else can either, which is why he has the pitchers throwing breaking balls off the outside corner and walking the bases loaded.
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Well, you got to see Hanigan, Hernandez, and Miller last year with Cordero. Here are his ERA numbers with each catcher....

Hanigan - 2.05 ERA (30.2 innings)
Hernandez - 6.44 ERA (29.1 innings)
Miller - 2.13 ERA (12.2 innings)

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.

Although Hanigan did catch Volquez twice last year, and that didn't end up too well. Of course much of that was probably the fact Volquez couldn't get the ball over the plate.
 
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scott91575;1906249; said:
Well, you got to see Hanigan, Hernandez, and Miller last year with Cordero. Here are his ERA numbers with each catcher....

Hanigan - 2.05 ERA (30.2 innings)
Hernandez - 6.44 ERA (29.1 innings)
Miller - 2.13 ERA (12.2 innings)

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.

Although Hanigan did catch Volquez twice last year, and that didn't end up too well. Of course much of that was probably the fact Volquez couldn't get the ball over the plate.
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Wow. I figured there would be a difference, but I didn't realize it was that stark. I wonder if the splits for Masset & the starters are similar (at least for the starters that don't have a personal catcher).
 
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jlb1705;1906255; said:
Wow. I figured there would be a difference, but I didn't realize it was that stark. I wonder if the splits for Masset & the starters are similar (at least for the starters that don't have a personal catcher).
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Last year for Masset....

Hanigan - 0.70 ERA (25.2 innings)
Henandez - 5.27 ERA (42.2 innings)

This year, Hanigan was catching in the Houston game where Masset gave up the one run, but Henandez was the catcher for DBacks game.

Starters are tough because Cueto, Volquez, and Leake are almost always Hernandez, and Arroyo is always Hanigan. Bailey was mostly Hanigan, but 1/4 of his games were caught by Hernandez. Bailey's ERA numbers....

Hanigan - 3.24 ERA (83.1 innings)
Hernandez - 8.42 ERA (25.2 innings)

Travis Wood also had some mix between the catchers....

Hanigan - 2.43 ERA (33.1 innings)
Hernandez - 4.35 ERA (51.2 innings)

There is a reason a guy like Hernandez, who has put up good offensive numbers and is solid defensively, did not get many offers in free agency. He calls a terrible game.

BTW...Aurthur Rhodes was better with Hernandez (1.71 to 3.05). One of the few cases where that is true.
 
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scott91575;1906264; said:
Last year for Masset....

Hanigan - 0.70 ERA (25.2 innings)
Henandez - 5.27 ERA (42.2 innings)

This year, Hanigan was catching in the Houston game where Masset gave up the one run, but Henandez was the catcher for DBacks game.

Starters are tough because Cueto, Volquez, and Leake are almost always Hernandez, and Arroyo is always Hanigan. Bailey was mostly Hanigan, but 1/4 of his games were caught by Hernandez. Bailey's ERA numbers....

Hanigan - 3.24 ERA (83.1 innings)
Hernandez - 8.42 ERA (25.2 innings)

Travis Wood also had some mix between the catchers....

Hanigan - 2.43 ERA (33.1 innings)
Hernandez - 4.35 ERA (51.2 innings)

There is a reason a guy like Hernandez, who has put up good offensive numbers and is solid defensively, did not get many offers in free agency. He calls a terrible game.

BTW...Aurthur Rhodes was better with Hernandez (1.71 to 3.05). One of the few cases where that is true.
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It sucks because I like Hernandez offensively, but these numbers are alarming to say the least. If the Reds want any shot at advancing this post-season... They are going to need to rotate catchers much MUCH more.
 
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Arroyo's ERA with particular catchers:

Hanigan 58G / 385.2 IP / 3.76 ERA (Opp batters .243/.300/.394)
Miller 10G / 71.1 IP / 2.65 ERA (Opp batters .221/.276/.340)
Hernandez 6G / 34.1 IP/ 6.29 ERA (Opp batters .317/.388/.592)

Ramon was his catcher when Hanigan was out for a stretch in the second half of 09. I decided to check the box scores ... Ramon caught the Toronto game and the Arizona game. Arroyo got rocked in both.

Of course, 'experts' say Catcher ERA is a worthless stat since it's inherently skewed since everybody has a personal catcher and the sample size is generally really small. Hogwash. The numbers confirm what my eyes are telling me I see.
 
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Dryden;1906285; said:
Arroyo's ERA with particular catchers:

Hanigan 58G / 385.2 IP / 3.76 ERA (Opp batters .243/.300/.394)
Miller 10G / 71.1 IP / 2.65 ERA (Opp batters .221/.276/.340)
Hernandez 6G / 34.1 IP/ 6.29 ERA (Opp batters .317/.388/.592)

Ramon was his catcher when Hanigan was out for a stretch in the second half of 09. I decided to check the box scores ... Ramon caught the Toronto game and the Arizona game. Arroyo got rocked in both.

Of course, 'experts' say Catcher ERA is a worthless stat since it's inherently skewed since everybody has a personal catcher and the sample size is generally really small. Hogwash. The numbers confirm what my eyes are telling me I see.
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I could give him a pass for starters he doesn't work with on a regular basis (like Arroyo) since he is being compared to a guy that gets to work with that pitcher all the time. Yet the bullpen is where you get the real story. Hernandez may be ok with the guys he works with all the time (I don't really know since there is not a whole lot of stats to compare him with other catchers), but in today's game you also have to be good with your bullpen. Hernandez is not. This has been a discussion for a while, and one of the reasons many people didn't want Hernandez back. Yet the pickings are so slim at catcher you sort of take what you can get. Still, as this has shown, Dusty should use Hanigan more than he does. He should at least look at making Hanigan Leake's catcher (plus full time with Wood and Bailey). Let Hernandez stick with Cueto and Volquez, and that's it.
 
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I had wanted Hernandez back at a reasonable price because I thought he was best suited (due to the common language) to work with the young Hispanic pitchers the Reds are featuring. The numbers seem to show that I couldn't have been more wrong.
 
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jlb1705;1906295; said:
I had wanted Hernandez back at a reasonable price because I thought he was best suited (due to the common language) to work with the young Hispanic pitchers the Reds are featuring. The numbers seem to show that I couldn't have been more wrong.
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Well, we don't really know with Volquez and Cueto since it's almost always Hernandez behind the plate for them. Chapman doesn't really have enough stats to judge at this point (although you saw how Hernandez called that DBacks game....that was horrible).

Like I have said, I don't have a huge issue with Hernandez. Catchers are simply tough to come by. Yet Hanigan should be used more. To me, that one is on Dusty and not the fact the front office re signed Hernandez.
 
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