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Reds Tidbits (2008 season)

Corey Patterson: HR, 2 doubles and a walk.

A lot of people (including myself) have been critical of his addition to the team. Let's be fair though, if Jay Bruce had come north and started the season the way Patterson has, Reds fans would be creaming their pants. Gotta give credit where it's due, he's doing pretty well right now. It's kinda easy to forget that he was once a highly touted prospect himself, and entering what should be his prime years. Who knows, maybe he has started to fulfill his potential? I for one wouldn't mind an outfield next year that includes Bruce in RF and Patterson (the version of Patterson the Cubs originally thought they were gonna get) in CF. Who knows? Nobody dumpster dives like Wayne Krivsky, right?

Fogg, Lincoln, Mercker and Coffey just combined for nine innings of two-ER baseball. Kinda hard to wrap my head around that. Baseball is a funny game.

Bill Hall is still a dick.

It was nice to see Adam Dunn get on the board with his first HR of the season. Nice assist by Gabe Gross, too. :tongue2:
 
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jlb1705;1136372; said:
Corey Patterson: HR, 2 doubles and a walk.

A lot of people (including myself) have been critical of his addition to the team. Let's be fair though, if Jay Bruce had come north and started the season the way Patterson has, Reds fans would be creaming their pants. Gotta give credit where it's due, he's doing pretty well right now. It's kinda easy to forget that he was once a highly touted prospect himself, and entering what should be his prime years. Who knows, maybe he has started to fulfill his potential? I for one wouldn't mind an outfield next year that includes Bruce in RF and Patterson (the version of Patterson the Cubs originally thought they were gonna get) in CF. Who knows? Nobody dumpster dives like Wayne Krivsky, right?

Fogg, Lincoln, Mercker and Coffey just combined for nine innings of two-ER baseball. Kinda hard to wrap my head around that. Baseball is a funny game.

Bill Hall is still a dick.

It was nice to see Adam Dunn get on the board with his first HR of the season. Nice assist by Gabe Gross, too. :tongue2:

Like I have said I have no problem with Patterson, like what he has done in CF, and at the plate, but he is NOT a leadoff hitter, bad OBP...He would make a great #7 hitter in the lineup...I also don't want Patterson to keep Bruce out the majors...When he is ready he needs to be here...No if ands buts about it...

I also want Dickerson or Stubbs to take over in CF next season either beginning or at the end...and Bruce in one of the corner spots...
 
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Thump;1136245; said:
Could Prince Fielder's uniform be any bigger and baggier?

Dude looks like Yucko the clown out there in that outfit.

Maybe next year he and Dmitri Young can ask MLB permission to wear elastic unis because of their ever-expanding boilers.

I missed the beginning of the game and got home to see the end of it. First thing I see is His uniforms, and was like what the fuck are the Brewers wearing, then relized he was the only one wearing a uniform that was made for the blob.
 
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crazybuckfan40;1136386; said:
Like I have said I have no problem with Patterson, like what he has done in CF, and at the plate, but he is NOT a leadoff hitter, bad OBP...He would make a great #7 hitter in the lineup...I also don't want Patterson to keep Bruce out the majors...When he is ready he needs to be here...No if ands buts about it...

I also want Dickerson or Stubbs to take over in CF next season either beginning or at the end...and Bruce in one of the corner spots...

I'm with you. CP is playing fine, he is a plus defender and has some pop in his bat. I'd say he is more the prototypical free swinging #5 hitter type on most clubs.

Next year I wouldn't mind CP in cnter for his D and the corners to be Dunn and Bruce. Now that would be a pretty damn solid OF imo.

I'm not so concerned about him not fitting the leadoff role well because no matter what we just don't have a prototypical leadoff guy on this team. I'm starting to let the cyber guys convince me lineup construction is somewhat overrated but in a perfect world I would run my lineup out there by OPS as best I could.

As far as the team goes, I think I'm definitly picking up a better vibe from this bunch. So far I can't complain about anything significant from Dusty outside of the defensive replacement stuff. I can kind of pass that on to WK however because once Dusty has to go to the bench the pickings are slim indeed.

I'm starting to think that .500 isn't such a big stretch, especially if this pitching holds up.
 
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Some thoughts from last nights game:

1. Corey Patterson has that I'm-a-new-Red-mojo thing going on right now, like Rich Aurilia, Joe Randa, and some of the other one-year and two-year rentals over the last several years. After April, Patterson will remember who he is. Still, right now, he's swinging like he's the best hitter on the team, and he's a plus-defender, so I'll take him.

2. Dunn's on 239 HRs already. According to his bio his Birthday is November 9, 1979, making him 28 years old. He'll be over 300 HRs before he even turns 30, and he is entering his prime. I don't know why I've never looked at Dunn that way, but he's got a great shot at hitting over 600 HRs for his career, and he hasn't had one of those 50+ HR binges yet.

3. Norris Hopper is fast. You see the weak infield single from time to time, but what you rarely see is the inside the batters box single. OK, maybe Norris Hopper isn't that fast. After all, Jason Kendall was behind the plate.

4. Shouldn't Corey Hart be wearing his sunglasses at night?

5. Congratulations Milwaukee, with all the arms you've added to your pen, including a washout like Gagne, and all the power in the lineup, you have successfully turned yourself into the Cincinnati Reds of just five years ago. Enjoy all those 9-8 losses this season.

6. Somehow, the Reds need to engineer trades to get Bill Hall, Jim Edmonds, Chase Utley, Roy Oswalt, and maybe a couple of other guys all on one team together, preferably in the AL West, so the Reds don't have to see any of them anymore, ever.

7. During the FSN broadcast last night, Grande and Welsh were talking about Tommy John surgery, and Welsh joked that the Reds could probably do a Tommy John Night promotion, where if you've had the surgery, you get in free. Frankly, they could take it further, where if you've had the surgery, you get a uniform, a seat in the bullpen, and the opportunity to pitch ahead of Todd Coffey.

8. Derrick Turnbow is one ugly, pear-shaped dude.

9. I'm beginning to believe that this Reds team may be a bit better than .500. Probably not a lot better, but they won't need to be. 85 wins won the Central last year. 83 in 2006. There aren't any teams like the 105 win St. Louis Cardinals of four years ago in this division either. 86-87 wins will probably be enough. Right now the Reds are 5-4 after facing the '07 West champion Diamondbacks, the '07 East champion Phillies, and the '07 Central runner-up Brewers. These are not bad teams the Reds are splitting or taking series from to open the season. If they can play .550-.600 ball against the .600 clubs, then they have the opportunity to really make some noise.

10. If the Reds are a plus .500 team and can win the Central with 86'ish Ws, then we have a magic number: 5. The Reds need to finish +5 of 81-81.
This afternoons game is very important for this club, even this early in the season. Harang needs to get the win on getaway-day. That would make them +2 having faced three of the best teams in the NL, without having lost any of their series' and heading off to 3-5 Pittsburgh, whose 54 run against through only 8 games gives them easily the worst pitching staff by a mile in all of MLB.
 
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Dryden;1136499; said:
6. Somehow, the Reds need to engineer trades to get Bill Hall, Jim Edmonds, Chase Utley, Roy Oswalt, and maybe a couple of other guys all on one team together, preferably in the AL West, so the Reds don't have to see any of them anymore, ever.

I'll nominate Jon Lieber and Kirk Reuter for the team as well.


And I do need some clarification on a very important matter...
Does Todd Coffey qualify as an:
a.) Fat ass-clown,
b.) Fat-ass clown, or
c.) Fat-ass ass-clown
 
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Dryden;1136499; said:
Some thoughts from last nights game:

1. Corey Patterson has that I'm-a-new-Red-mojo thing going on right now, like Rich Aurilia, Joe Randa, and some of the other one-year and two-year rentals over the last several years. After April, Patterson will remember who he is. Still, right now, he's swinging like he's the best hitter on the team, and he's a plus-defender, so I'll take him.

Yep but I'll be the first to McKneel him on here when he reverts back to being the real CP.

2. Dunn's on 239 HRs already. According to his bio his Birthday is November 9, 1979, making him 28 years old. He'll be over 300 HRs before he even turns 30, and he is entering his prime. I don't know why I've never looked at Dunn that way, but he's got a great shot at hitting over 600 HRs for his career, and he hasn't had one of those 50+ HR binges yet.

You can thank the lovely Reds broadcast team and sportswriters for most of the much undeserved ill will toward Dunn. They haven't corrected their behavior or said they were wrong or anything, its just EE's turn to be their whipping boy.



5. Congratulations Milwaukee, with all the arms you've added to your pen, including a washout like Gagne, and all the power in the lineup, you have successfully turned yourself into the Cincinnati Reds of just five years ago. Enjoy all those 9-8 losses this season.

More like Reds teams all the way up to 2007. The Cordero signing was a double whammy, it made us stronger and crippled them in one shot. That gaggle fuck of a pen they have could very easily be one of our vintage gems from days past(or current gaggle fuck sans Cordero).

6. Somehow, the Reds need to engineer trades to get Bill Hall, Jim Edmonds, Chase Utley, Roy Oswalt, and maybe a couple of other guys all on one team together, preferably in the AL West, so the Reds don't have to see any of them anymore, ever.

Don't forget Berkman. He is the Reds killer of Reds killers. Its a long and impressive list but he's got to be at the top.

7. During the FSN broadcast last night, Grande and Welsh were talking about Tommy John surgery, and Welsh joked that the Reds could probably do a Tommy John Night promotion, where if you've had the surgery, you get in free. Frankly, they could take it further, where if you've had the surgery, you get a uniform, a seat in the bullpen, and the opportunity to pitch ahead of Todd Coffey.

They do have that, its called spring training.

8. Derrick Turnbow is one ugly, pear-shaped dude.

Word

9. I'm beginning to believe that this Reds team may be a bit better than .500. Probably not a lot better, but they won't need to be. 85 wins won the Central last year. 83 in 2006. There aren't any teams like the 105 win St. Louis Cardinals of four years ago in this division either. 86-87 wins will probably be enough. Right now the Reds are 5-4 after facing the '07 West champion Diamondbacks, the '07 East champion Phillies, and the '07 Central runner-up Brewers. These are not bad teams the Reds are splitting or taking series from to open the season. If they can play .550-.600 ball against the .600 clubs, then they have the opportunity to really make some noise.

I'm not ready to let them get my hopes up and crush me again. I'm just not ready for it. That bitch Lucy has pulled the football away from my Charlie Brown looking hopes one too many times. (but I'm envisioning the field goal as we speak :wink2:)

10. If the Reds are a plus .500 team and can win the Central with 86'ish Ws, then we have a magic number: 5. The Reds need to finish +5 of 81-81.
This afternoons game is very important for this club, even this early in the season. Harang needs to get the win on getaway-day. That would make them +2 having faced three of the best teams in the NL, without having lost any of their series' and heading off to 3-5 Pittsburgh, whose 54 run against through only 8 games gives them easily the worst pitching staff by a mile in all of MLB.


This 12 (or so) early season stretch all within the NL Central is very important imo. I think this team is better once Ross and AG come back but some more moves are going to have to be made. I just don't think the pitching can keep this up.
 
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Bucky Katt;1136514; said:
I'll nominate Jon Lieber and Kirk Reuter for the team as well.


And I do need some clarification on a very important matter...
Does Todd Coffey qualify as an:
a.) Fat ass-clown,
b.) Fat-ass clown, or
c.) Fat-ass ass-clown


The answer is C
 
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Jaxbuck;1136525; said:
I think this team is better once Ross and AG come back but some more moves are going to have to be made. I just don't think the pitching can keep this up.
The good news is that this year, unlike anytime since Bowden was here, the farm system is stacked with promise. Pitchers have problems, that's to be expected. Every team is going to need about 8 starters over the course of a season. The big issue for the Reds was that they've needed 13 starters every year. That's a tough task when you don't even have enough guys to make a MLB caliber 3-man rotation. Forget about buying a bullpen when you don't even have the ponies to hand them a lead through 6.

The cupboard isn't really that bare right now, with Bailey in the wings, Belisle available once he comes off the DL, and Billy Bray, who I still think can be a major contributor out of the pen.

I think Krivsky's done OK getting to Harang, Cueto, Volquez, Arroyo, and Fogg as opposed to Paul Wilson, Dave Williams, Claussen, Lizard, Milton, Dumatrait, Germano, etc ... that gaggle of talent battling for the 2-5 spots that Krivsky inherited when he arrived in Feb '06. And he's done all this with basically little to deal and nothing to spend, what with O'Brien having just dealt Sean Casey for Dave Williams and giving 1/6th of the teams' budget to Eric Milton.

I mean: How awful was the NL Central in '06? The Reds went 80-82 with that sorry pitching staff and upgraded by adding Arroyo, Lohse, Joe Mays, Mike Stanton, and Cormier. Now that is fucking amazing!

If the Reds can go 80-82 with that rotation and bullpen, they can go 84-78 with this years group.
 
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