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Reds Tidbits (2006 Season)

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Bucky Katt said:
We desperately need to get the organization infused with young pitching. There is no depth. If one of our starters goes down right now, who steps in? Joe Mays? A guy released by KC with an era over 10? Dear god, I hope not.
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The Reds gave up a 26 year-old Single-A pitcher for Mays. 26 + 1 A = no shot at ever reaching the majors anyway.

Joe Mays is actually a decent groundball pitcher with a 1.3+ GB/FB ratio. I know sure as shit I'd rather have a career ~5.00 ERA groundball pitcher in GABP than a career ~5.00 ERA flyball pitcher.

Mays is paid for for the year. He's free. He's a groundball pitcher and we're getting solid play from the infield; far better than what he had behind him in KC anyway. He can't conceivably do any worse than bad-Milton or Williams. I'll take him!
 
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Dryden said:
The Reds gave up a 26 year-old Single-A pitcher for Mays. 26 + 1 A = no shot at ever reaching the majors anyway.

Joe Mays is actually a decent groundball pitcher with a 1.3+ GB/FB ratio. I know sure as shit I'd rather have a career ~5.00 ERA groundball pitcher in GABP than a career ~5.00 ERA flyball pitcher.

Mays is paid for for the year. He's free. He's a groundball pitcher and we're getting solid play from the infield; far better than what he had behind him in KC anyway. He can't conceivably do any worse than bad-Milton or Williams. I'll take him!
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That's fine. I don't have a problem with the Reds taking a flyer on a guy who has had some marginal success in the majors. But that wasn't really my main point. My point was just that there is zero pitching depth in the minors. Who are our young pitching prospects that could step in if we had a rash of arm injuries? Josh Hall? Justin Germano? None of the guys in AA or AAA have major league stuff. Some of them can post a good ERA at AAA, but when they come to the majors, look the hell out. (See Burns, Mike).
 
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Dispatch

6/6/06

Griffey’s three-run HR caps 9 th-inning rally

Tuesday, June 06, 2006

R . B . Fallstrom
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ST. LOUIS — Two years ago, Ken Griffey Jr. hit his 500 th home run in old Busch Stadium. His first game in the new Busch was pretty memorable, too.
Griffey hit a go-ahead threerun homer off Jason Isringhausen in the ninth inning after tying a major-league record by homering in his 43 rd stadium earlier in the game, leading the Cincinnati Reds past the St. Louis Cardinals 8-7 last night.
"He’s the one guy we’ve got that has a chance to hit outstanding pitching no matter who it is," manager Jerry Narron said. "There are a lot of guys that get numbers off mediocre guys, and this is a guy that has never done that.
"He’s gotten numbers off everybody."
Griffey added new Busch Stadium to his lengthy list with a homer in the fifth off Jeff Suppan. Griffey hit his 10 th homer of the season with one out in the ninth to erase a 7-5 deficit for the Reds, who have won five straight.
Isringhausen (1-3) leads the National League with 18 saves but has allowed four homers in 23 innings and has blown saves in two of his last three appearances.
"I was terrible tonight," Isringhausen said. "I didn’t have a feel for anything. I was fighting everything about myself, and when you’re facing majorleague hitters you’re going to get beat."
Juan Encarnacion and pinchhitter Chris Duncan hit two-run homers and Yadier Molina also homered for the Cardinals, who are 1-1 since Albert Pujols went on the disabled list because of a pulled muscle in his right side. They have scored 16 runs without him.
Felipe Lopez doubled off Isringhausen with one out in the ninth for his fourth hit of the game. Rich Aurilia followed with a walk and the runners moved up on a wild pitch. Griffey’s homer came on a full count.
"I was in pretty good position to hit, knowing I couldn’t hit into a double play," Griffey said. "I just settled down and got a pitch not in the zone that he wanted and I just happened to hit it out."
Griffey tied a major-league record set by Fred McGriff, and has connected in every existing ballpark "I knew coming in here this was the last one," Griffey said. "It’s just one of those things that happened, and I’m glad it’s over with."
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Tipdogusaf said:
With the 8th pick in the first year players draft the reds drafted Drew Stubbs, OF, Texas. I know nothing about this guy, but I was hoping they would take a pitcher with the first pick.

Edit: To add a link to a Drew Stubbs Bio page.
http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=18&change_well_id=17&member_id=16

After reading his Bio he seems like a really talented ball player. Is outfield a need for this ballclub?
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Hmmm...took an outfielder in the first round last year, too (Bruce). Perhaps one of our resident Longhorns could give us a bit more info on this kid.
 
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Tipdogusaf said:
With the 8th pick in the first year players draft the reds drafted Drew Stubbs, OF, Texas. I know nothing about this guy, but I was hoping they would take a pitcher with the first pick.

Edit: To add a link to a Drew Stubbs Bio page.
http://www.texassports.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=18&change_well_id=17&member_id=16

After reading his Bio he seems like a really talented ball player. Is outfield a need for this ballclub?
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Cant say that I expected this. I thought for sure they would take a pitcher, b/c there is no question that this is what this team needs.

They also took an outfielder in the first round last year, in Jay Bruce.

Hopefully they can get some pitching in the later rounds.
 
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Alot of drafting baseball picks has to do with signability and not always about best available.

We did take a pitcher in the second round.

Sean Watson RHP from Tennessee. Has a good fastball and nasty knuckle curveball.

And in the thrid roudn took a SS Christopher Valaika from Santa Barbara.

The only thing I can see is the new guys want to go with 4 year players, b/c all of the draft picks have been 4 year players.

I would love to see us pick up a young catcher with potential.
 
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Tipdogusaf said:
I still am not getting this pick.
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An above average runner with stellar defensive tools and a decent bat, though he needs to learn some plate discipline (I'm guessing Cincinnati is not the place for that, though).

The Minnesota Twins were geniuses when it came to the draft, and Krivsky was a huge factor in that. If he's looking for another Torii Hunter coming out of college (Griffey to left, Dunn to first?) I'm not going to complain. Pitching is such an absolute crap-shoot in the draft anyhow; much like taking a QB in the NFL draft, usually the best "sure thing" is take the dominant position players early, then draft a quantity of pitchers late and hope at least two of them develop.
 
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Dryden said:
Pitching is such an absolute crap-shoot in the draft anyhow; much like taking a QB in the NFL draft, usually the best "sure thing" is take the dominant position players early, then draft a quantity of pitchers late and hope at least two of them develop.
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No kidding. Here are the last 10 (or so) Reds' draft picks (pitchers) that I can remember even seeing in the majors:

Ryan Wagner (1st round 2003) - Career 8-4 with 4.69 ERA - struggling at AAA Louisville
Scott Dunn (10th round 1999) - career 1-0 with 10.97 ERA
Josh Hall (7th round 1998) - AAA Louisville
John Koronka (12th round 1998) - career 5-5 with 5.38 ERA, now with Texas
Lance Cormier (40th round 1998) - career 10-8 with 6.12 ERA, now with ATL
Scott Williamson (9th round 1997) - NL Rookie of the year - career 27-26, 3.14 ERA, 55 saves, DL for Cubs
Brett Tomko (2nd round 1995) - 86-77 career record with 4.52 ERA - now with Dodgers
Lance Davis (16th round 1995) - career 8-4 with 4.74 ERA
CJ Nitkowski (1st round 1994) - career 18-32 with 5.32 ERA
Kevin Gryboski (16th round 1994) - career 12-8 with 3.75 ERA
John Riedling (22nd round 1994) - career 17-13 with 4.41 ERA

I don't know whether this type of anemic result is typical for MLB drafts or if the Reds have just been particularly bad in the draft, but at this point, I would venture to say that only Tomko and Williamson have had "successful" careers in MLB. Two guys in 12 years of drafts. It really matters very, very little who they pick. The 10th rounder is probably just as likely to be successful as the 2nd rounder.
 
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How often are major league teams built predominantly through the draft? I think maybe Oakland and Atlanta have done a good job of that lately, but most of the time, that's not the way it works.

I don't mind them selecting an outfielder in the first round. I think they should take the best player they can get each round (or the best player they can sign, I guess), and hope to build some depth in the farm system. You may end up with some major league talent that way, or at the very least, you have some bargaining chips to use in the trade market.

People may make a big deal of not taking a pitcher in the first, but the MLB draft is not like drafts for other sports.
 
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Jlb is right, watch and see how Atlanta drafts. As much as I hate them and that wife beater manager, damn if they can't draft and develop talent. Their High A club is right down the road, Myrtle Beach Pelicans. They run players through here like people through the doors of a Food Lion. The number of guys that go on to the Braves is astounding!!! I also agree that you have to take the best player available in each round and go from there.
 
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This has not really been Eric Milton. The real Eric Milton was abducted by aliens. I'm not complaining though. :biggrin:

With six (so far) wins on this 9-game trip, the Reds have come through this trip with flying colors. I'm one happy fan right now.

We've discussed the trade market a little, but not the All-Star game. Who do you think represents the Reds? I'm thinking that right now, Arroyo is almost a lock. I think all three outfielders have a shot (granted, not a very strong one at the moment) with Griffey being the most likely because he is who he is. Todd Coffey has the ERA to be worthy of an All-Star spot, and if he gets the saves, he could earn a trip. Also, it scares me to say this, but if Eric Milton keeps pitching like he has over the past few weeks, he might get there himself.
 
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jlb1705 said:
This has not really been Eric Milton. The real Eric Milton was abducted by aliens. I'm not complaining though. :biggrin:

With six (so far) wins on this 9-game trip, the Reds have come through this trip with flying colors. I'm one happy fan right now.

We've discussed the trade market a little, but not the All-Star game. Who do you think represents the Reds? I'm thinking that right now, Arroyo is almost a lock. I think all three outfielders have a shot (granted, not a very strong one at the moment) with Griffey being the most likely because he is who he is. Todd Coffey has the ERA to be worthy of an All-Star spot, and if he gets the saves, he could earn a trip. Also, it scares me to say this, but if Eric Milton keeps pitching like he has over the past few weeks, he might get there himself.
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Guys worthy of consideration IMO are Arroyo(lock), Griffey, Coffey, Dunn, Lopez, Phillips.
 
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