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HabaneroBuck

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I'll just come right out and say that I don't like all of the posting that has been going on in the 2005 (and 2004) database. These guys are no longer recruits. They are BUCKEYES. They are challenging the other players for PT and positions on the depth chart. I would rather see updates on the players in the BUCKEYE forum rather than back in the old database. We lock threads of players just as soon as they commit to other programs (which I don't agree with, either), but then we DON'T lock the Buckeyes' threads once they have reported to the team? Anyone have any opinion on this?

I would rather see the main forum hopping with info. and threads along these lines than have some of this very good information relegated to the dark allies of BP.

In summary:

Recruiting Forum

-> player commits to another school; we should NOT lock the thread immediately. There might be another good post or two left for him....

-> player reports for camp to Columbus; we SHOULD lock the thread immediately. Said player is no longer a recruit.

Thank you whoever is reading.
 
HabaneroBuck said:
I'll just come right out and say that I don't like all of the posting that has been going on in the 2005 (and 2004) database. These guys are no longer recruits. They are BUCKEYES. They are challenging the other players for PT and positions on the depth chart. I would rather see updates on the players in the BUCKEYE forum rather than back in the old database. We lock threads of players just as soon as they commit to other programs (which I don't agree with, either), but then we DON'T lock the Buckeyes' threads once they have reported to the team? Anyone have any opinion on this?

I would rather see the main forum hopping with info. and threads along these lines than have some of this very good information relegated to the dark allies of BP.

In summary:

Recruiting Forum

-> player commits to another school; we should NOT lock the thread immediately. There might be another good post or two left for him....

-> player reports for camp to Columbus; we SHOULD lock the thread immediately. Said player is no longer a recruit.

Thank you whoever is reading.
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Good feedback. I will give one view to you of this situation. Recruit threads are closed so those of us who spend our time giving BP members like yourself free info an opportunity to focus on recruits that actually are interested and may possibly attend OSU. Why should we have to post a Keith Browner update every time he has there in a new article on him from Rivals or Scout when he doesn't have an offer from OSU, lives on the West Coast and is commited to Cal? Do some slip through the cracks, like Phillip Taylor? Of course. But there are a few of us who give up our free time to post information about recruits for BP and its members like yourself, and if we can narrow the list down so that we don't waste our time posting stuff about a kid who is never coming to Columbus, then I am all for it. If you have something you really want to say about a recruit who is commited elsewhere and you haven't been afforded that opportunity, well then I am sorry. But those of us that do this day in and day out like to see the list get trimmed so we can focus the recruiting info on those that the OSU staff is really pursuing.

As for posting info about players like Jamario in what was previously their recruiting thread, I understand your point. Maybe the next logical step is to create individual threads about each player on the team. That would be very time consuming and create a lot of threads in the Buckeyes forum. Another idea is to have one thread to post Buckeye updates or even one thread just for things such as Fall camp updates, but I am afraid this would not work either because it would become a jumbled, merged mess, sort of like how the one thread for the Texas game has become. I guess my question is, does it really matter which forum has the activity as long as everyone is getting the info?
 
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Not saying it is right, but I think the main reasons for continuing to post in their recruiting threads are:

1. The thread for that player already exists. The site is growing leaps and bounds still (quickly approaching 5,000 members), and the need for avoiding multiple threads is greater.

2. It provides a cool continuation of the "cradle-to-grave" progression of a player's career.

Think about it. We have threads on some kids in the 2007 recruiting class already, meaning they're just starting their junior year in high school. Now fast forward seven years (BP will be around, no doubt) when that "kid" is in the NFL...you could go back to the beginning of his thread and read from the beginning of his junior year in HS all through his career at OSU and into the NFL. I personally think that's cool as hell...
 
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Agreed Mili...maybe what we need to start doing is move those recruit threads over to the Buckeyes forum to appease those that would like to see that forum be getting all the activity from the updates coming from Fall camp, as HabaneroBuck has requested.
 
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wadc45 said:
Recruit threads are closed so those of us who spend our time giving BP members like yourself an opportunity to focus on recruits that actually are interested and may possibly attend OSU. Why should we have to post a Keith Browner update every time he has an update when he doesn't have an offer from OSU, lives on the West Coast and is commited to Cal? There are a few of us who give up our free time to post information about recruits for BP, and if we can narrow the list down so that we don't waste our time posting stuff about a kid who is never coming to Columbus, then I am all for it.

As for posting info about players like Jamario in what was previously their recruiting thread, I understand your point. Maybe the next logical step is to create individual threads about each player on the team. That would be very time consuming and create a lot of threads in the Buckeyes forum. To ahve one thread to post Buckeye updates or even one thread just for Fall camp updates would not work either because it would become a jumbled, merged mess, sort of like how the one thread for the Texas game has become. I guess my question is, does it really matter which forum has the activity as long as everyone is getting the info?
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I don't suggest anyone should bother spending extra time to post updates from the recruiting services of kids who are dropping the Bucks from consideration, I just think that the threads should not be locked in case someone has something interesting to share about the said recruit. If locking the thread is the only way to prevent continual "updating," then I agree with you entirely. The other day, Grad posted a picture of a former recruit who now attends Clemson. It was just a little post that I found interesting. With locked threads, you don't get that. It's no biggie, I guess. What if someone has something to report about a comment they heard about Elzy or Lance Smith as it relates to their recruitment? That's all I'm thinking.

As to the recruiting forum, I guess I can start looking at the 2005 database everyday now, since there is so much posting going on. And, I suppose, I will have to keep tabs on the database for the next five years. I just didn't think that is what the recruiting forum was for.
 
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HabaneroBuck said:
I don't suggest anyone should bother spending extra time to post updates from the recruiting services of kids who are dropping the Bucks from consideration, I just think that the threads should not be locked in case someone has something interesting to share about the said recruit. If locking the thread is the only way to prevent continual "updating," then I agree with you entirely. The other day, Grad posted a picture of a former recruit who now attends Clemson. It was just a little post that I found interesting. With locked threads, you don't get that. It's no biggie, I guess. What if someone has something to report about a comment they heard about Elzy or Lance Smith as it relates to their recruitment? That's all I'm thinking.

As to the recruiting forum, I guess I can start looking at the 2005 database everyday now, since there is so much posting going on. And, I suppose, I will have to keep tabs on the database for the next five years. I just didn't think that is what the recruiting forum was for.
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I understand your point completely, and believe me when I say that the mods and admins are discussing this same thing behind the scenes...hopefully we come up with a way to make everyone happy.
 
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Is there some reason after LOI day... or some reasonable time after - say when camp starts, we can't just change the Title of the kids thread, and move it to the "Buckeyes" football forum?

I don't know how hard it would be, but why not create a "Football players" forum for info on particu'ar guys, and the existing forum could be for general team talk (Not at the exclusion of players, of course, but with a focus on more "team" related matters) I see the recruting threads (as they exist after a kid reports) as appropriate for things like ... I don't 40 times, bench press.. you know, relevant football development stuff specific to the individual. I'm not sure, but when mili talks about a time capsul of sorts, I think it's geared towards looking back at how a kid was a a HS jr. or sr. and how he ended up after all was said and done.

The football forum would be, in my mind, more for discussions about player utilization, schemes, general OSU chatter and the like. Much as it is now.

On the other hand, I don't moderate, and am not an Admin, so if this is more legwork for you guys, I'd say keep on truckin as is.
 
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I didn't want to start another thread, but what if we further standardize the first post in the recruit thread to include the following items:

Scout & Rivals profile links
Video links (when from sunshinepreps, mili, etc)

Its not something that should be required, b/c we often start threads long before their profiles appear at both sites. But maybe its something we could add later on.

Just my $0.02
 
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jwinslow said:
I didn't want to start another thread, but what if we further standardize the first post in the recruit thread to include the following items:

Scout & Rivals profile links
Video links (when from sunshinepreps, mili, etc)

Its not something that should be required, b/c we often start threads long before their profiles appear at both sites. But maybe its something we could add later on.

Just my $0.02
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I assume you are talking more about recruits from earlier this year and even going back to last year, because I think we've done a pretty good job of standardizing most of the opening posts for recruit threads this year. It's come a long way from when Nutty, Bucksin, etc. were trying to do everything by themselves. Now that we have a bunch of people doing recruiting stuff I think the quality of the initial posts has improved just because there are more of us to share the load.
 
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As far as committed recruits in the 06 class...

I don't think we necessarily have to lock every thread, as long as we have some way to mark the fact that no further updates need to be provided for that recruit. If somebody wants to post a comment about a recruit, I don't see it as a problem, unless it would get out of hand. For the most part, the people that browse the board aren't the type to post random thoughts on someone that has committed elsewhere.

As far as 05 and older players...

I agree with Habanero. The recruiting forums should have info about recruits. Once a player finishes their HS all star games and checks into OSU camp, they're no longer recruits. If Malcolm Jenkins is tearing it up at corner, I don't want to read about it in the recruiting forum. It belongs in the main Buckeye forum with all other info related to the current team. I would think that locking down all 05 and older Buckeye signees would make a ton of sense. Keep all the posts in one place. No need to check the 04 recruiting forum for a current interview with Teddy Ginn. That stuff belongs in the main football board.
 
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This has been a hot topic lately and I agree with points on both sides...

As for the locked threads, I agree that some have been locked down prematurely, but that is what we agreed upon so everyone is following the policy we set. However, with the enormous amount of recruits in our database, there is a definite need to trim the list so to say. If anyone ever finds something worth posting about a locked recruit, simply start a new thread and one of us will merge it and unlock the original. IMHO, this is a lesser evil than having an enormous amount of "dead" recruits clogging up the board...

JWin, I agree with WadC that we have made every effort to stay uniform in the individual threads this year. Most to all of them have the exact format you are discussing...however, a good number of them, mostly the ones Highstreet was starting when he jumped in with both feet, are not up to the agreed upon format. Once we organized the current "team," we did decide upon a form and have all done well to follow that.

Finally, I also agree with the current player threads. Maybe someone could do a current roster with individual player threads linked to a database like Mili's. I certainly do not have the knowledge to create such a project, but I do know that some folks around here would enjoy such an endeavor.

Good feedback guys. This type of discussion is the best way to improve the Planet.
 
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I understand the reasons for locking down threads once a guy commits to another school. Sometime after signing day, though, I think it's a good idea to open up the threads for historical updates. For instance, I just updated the Joe Akers (2005 UConn commit) thread to post the fact that his career is over due to an injury. This will answer any 'Whatever happened to..?" questions in the future.

I think that exceptions should be made on this re-opening, though. Jason Gwaltney, Fred Davis, and Buster Davis recruiting threads are better off locked permanently.

For tOSU commits, I think it's good to have an individual thread that can track the player throughout his career. Where that thread exists doesn't matter to me.
 
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I knokw its an imperfect system, but could locked threads somehow become "your post may be approved by a mod" threads? That would require checking in occasionally, but that's just another possible idea. Perhaps this wouldn't work, just throwing it out there.
 
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I don't see the need for locking threads. I don't see where there's a compulsion to post on a recruit's thread just because it's open. I agree with the need to narrow things down, but that occurs naturally as players look away from OSU. Threads that don't get updated due to this decreased interest settle to the bottom of the forum just as they would if they were locked. Leaving them unlocked leaves the possiblity open for contribution should a proper instance arise for it. For example, you may want to have the James Aldridge thread locked so it's not taking up a spot on the front page, but do you really think that he's really gonna be a topic of discussion around here, especially if nobody on the Recruiting Team is providing updates any longer?

I agree completely on the past recruits issue with those who think those players belong in the regular football forum. I think once they come to Columbus, that items addressing specific players are "Buckeye Football matters. The Football forum is the flagship forum of this place, and I think right now about 50% of the pertinent discussion for that forum is being tucked away in a subforum of a different part of the site.

I do think it's cool to have the "cradle to the grave" aspect when it comes to these threads, but at the same time, I think there is considerable value to being able to see the title of a football-related thread and know what's going on. The way it is now, we see that there's a new post on the Jamario O'Neal thread, and for all you know it could be about him making a move on the depth chart, or it could be a post detailing his switch from whole milk to 2% - or anything in between.

To put it more concisely - I think Ohio State football current events is the reason this place exists, and is the reason most of us are here. I think that stuff needs to be centralized, and that organization ofer everything else needs to build upon that.
 
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